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this hope radio for the masses headline

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the birth in July 8 1947

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you're on the Air Force with Rezanov

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start applying there - found and there's

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now in the possession of the RA in would

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change the game changer I occasionally

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think how quickly our differences

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside this way

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- black with your host Jimmy Church on

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the game changer radio network and K GRA

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we need your help to get to the

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fade to black with jimmy touch on the

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good evening fade to black the spoke

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radio for the masses man do I love my

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job today is Wednesday May 16 2018 135

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days into the new year just 230 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world and all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjc

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are the game changer Network and Cave

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GRA the planets I'm Yours give me Church

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what is crackin everybody how you doing

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right before the show tonight I hope

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he's listening right before the show I

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get I give a text I get a text from race

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Hobbs and look where race is he's at

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in-n-out burger in Salt Lake City though

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they didn't announce all Exedy

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but but is his reply was off the

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bleeping chain awesome

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good for you race if you've never had

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in-n-out burger before the first time

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you've had it and and I've witnessed it

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so many times here's some guest comes in

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from out of town pick him up at LAX and

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you're pulling out there's in-and-out

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burger right there man he's just pull

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right in and watch their face there's

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nothing like it because you've never

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experienced it it is truly and I'm just

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so thankful we have them here in

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Southern California it is truly the best

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hamburger in in the United States

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there's and there's good stuff out there

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everybody's proud of their burgers and I

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get that but there is nothing like an

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in-and-out burger fries and and their

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fries it's so weird once they drop in

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temperature they go cold they're

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inedible but but when they're hot and

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they always are but when they're hot you

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got to eat them that and that in and out

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chocolate shake that's it man that's

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where it's at I just wanted to share

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that with you guys it really made my day

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tonight's very special guests back with

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this R is Burke is here we're gonna talk

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about killer AI because he's written an

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amazing article over at hacker noon

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dot-com I posted it over at on stellar

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today the link to it and it's called the

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road to killer AI ml plus blockchain +

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io t + drones equals Skynet it's a

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frightening article it's a great article

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and we're gonna discuss all of that

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tonight with rizz

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tomorrow's another fader night with Jon

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Rappoport and there's no more fake moon

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room live followed by open lines all

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night long and now I'm gonna see it's

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possible if we can take some phone calls

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tonight Riz is on the East Coast so

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it'll be getting late for him but

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nonetheless I will see if we can squeeze

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in some phone calls tonight for rizz

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Burke follow us on twitter at J Church

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radio Facebook is still alive for the

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time being and YouTube you can still

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subscribe over there everything is fade

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to black to a church radio to be church

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radio fade to black blah blah blah go

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now you can follow like and subscribe

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the sandbox on Twitter is hashtag F to

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be F the number two and a B F to be on

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Twitter and I say it every night we

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don't bite Salt Lake City got an

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is somewhere here in Southern California

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they opened up after the founders of in

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and out after the dad passed away the

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kids you know lost control with

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in-and-out burger and one of them

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started to sell franchises so they

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leaked into Vegas Arizona I think they

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parts of Texas Oregon and they spread

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out and then a judge intervened and shut

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down that one sibling I do believe and

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yeah I don't know what happened to those

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franchises though I don't know if they

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shut him down but there was reasons for

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that because all of the in-n-out burgers

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here in Southern California they locally

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source everything fresh from local

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farmers so that was in Ranchers and that

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was the secret to their success and they

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didn't want to let go of that and there

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is other issues involved - you know

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sibling rivalry but but there you go

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Lake so okay

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maybe they're franchising again haven't

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heard anything about that any questions

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or comments during the show tonight you

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can use hashtag F to be cute now see I'm

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reading the post in Twitter as they are

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coming in and as soon and that's what I

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just did so if you want to come and

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check out all of that hashtag F to B and

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then hashtag F to B Q for questions

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I keep Twitter live during the show and

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the chat rooms too are live in front of

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me so good evening everybody and and any

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questions comments just just post

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alright it happened today let me get to

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some breaking news happen today the

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Senate voted to pass a measure that

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would repeal changes to net neutrality

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rules that were recently adopted by the

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republican-controlled Federal

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Communications Commission now the

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measure which was backed by all 49

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Democrats and Republican senators Susan

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Lisa Murkowski John Kennedy of Louisiana

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it will now be sent to the house and I

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don't know where it's gonna go from

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okay I don't know let's hope ok this was

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I didn't think it was gonna pass the

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Senate I thought it was gonna be a very

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bleak day today but it made it through I

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don't know what Trump's gonna do with it

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president Trump believes in in business

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and I would think that I would think

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that he would go ahead and and do what

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the Senate and the house want to do with

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this but the people that that put him in

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office they they do not want to lose

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control of their Internet and I'm being

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serious about that all right all those

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everybody all those constituents have

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been in the White House they're not

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gonna want their Netflix throttled back

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by NBC so just

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man okay so anyway I was relieved I

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don't know what the house is gonna do

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though I really don't and even if the

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House passes it you know Trump can still

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veto it so we need to speak up need to

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let Trump know man he's got to do the

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right thing the Internet is ours

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okay all right

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I'm stellar it is absolutely beautiful

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over and started hanging out with

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just go down stellar dot-com register

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you can use my promo code Jimmy and you

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there instead of 10 you get 15 if you

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finish up other things that we need to

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get through we are now officially in the

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beta phase of on stellar it's absolutely

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it runs beautifully it looks beautiful

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we have thousands and thousands of

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people over there hanging out right now

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so go build up your friends list share

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the knowledge have fun it's absolutely

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incredible and I spend my days over

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there now used to spend my social media

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time over on Facebook and I've just lost

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interest I don't care anymore I I really

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really don't care and the the fun the

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lack of advertising the no data mining

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all of these things make on stellar

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great because that changes the user

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experience but for me more importantly

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this community that you can go and not

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only share and make friends but we all

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enjoy social media everybody does and so

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your social media experience

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the things that you liked about social

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media or enjoy about social media today

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every all of that is is there but it's

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the other features and the way that it's

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anywhere else and you start to explore

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and poke around and you realize this is

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where it's at

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it's absolutely incredible so go now on

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can reward and get rewarded for hanging

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our community it is just a wonderful

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place on stellar dot-com and there you

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go I've got some other things that I

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need to get out of the way because I

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have got some news today that I need to

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discuss with you that is absolutely

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gonna flip you out so I'm gonna save

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that I'll get to that just a second

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we've got rizz Burke at the bottom of

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the hour our next event is coming up in

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just two short weeks Oh a blink of an

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eye and contact in the desert is here

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June 1st through the 4th 2018 Indian

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Wells Palm Springs Southern California

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you're gonna come and hang out with all

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of us at the Renaissance Resort and Spa

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programming note Friday night will be

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broadcasting fade to black live in front

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of a studio audience like we do every

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year at contact in the desert Saturday

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night is the award ceremony and if you

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haven't got your tickets for that's

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probably already sold out but I'll be

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doing that Saturday night with George

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Noory I'm also hosting Saturday night

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the big magic show spectacular I'm gonna

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do that on Saturday night Sunday night I

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will be hosting the closing ceremonies

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and the closing panel discussion on

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Sunday night and who we have on that

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panel and what is gonna go down there

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plus I've got a few

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surprise guests that are going to be

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there for that panel and the closing

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night there everybody's all packed it's

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going to be a huge event but that is is

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getting planned right now and I was on

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working with the good people over at

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contact in the desert you know crystal

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and Victoria with Rita getting all of

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this set up it's gonna be amazing so

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come on out you want to hang out in

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Southern California don't you you want

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to go to Palm Springs don't you want to

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hang out the fade are not selling to you

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right you want to go into that night

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vision right all of those things that

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you've heard about the fade or knots and

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Rita and myself I contacted the desert

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all of its true it's all true the rumors

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are true

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we have a good time there so come and

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hang out with us get your tickets all

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the info that you need is right there a

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banner of it Jimmy Church radio now

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don't forget to sign up for our soul

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tech gathering up at ISA T ranch it's

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this August 9th through the 12th you

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want to go to Seoul tech gathering

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dot-com and we're gonna have Corey good

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this year we've got james gilliland

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speaking Jason quit Matthew Ryan Makayla

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Sheldon Theresa NRA's holly marine Mary

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Ashley John lund and Dana Harvey all

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teaching you all weekend long and and I

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say this but I mean this memories are

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made friendships are made that are gonna

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last a lifetime and we're gonna be out

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there at the field of dreams sky

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watching we're gonna be looking for

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Bigfoot that's gonna happen too by the

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way and all the other magic that happens

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up at ESET e it's gonna be absolutely

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amazing and a great event so please go

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and get your tickets now or only selling

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300 also also the the week after that I

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will be out in Colorado for Cory goods

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event and so there he go of what busy

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what a busy summer Rita and I said you

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know 2018 you know the last few years

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we've been doing

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you know eight ten twelve events a year

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and you do that an event every month a

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couple events a month and it really

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wears you down it's a lot of fun getting

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out there but we have to get back into

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town and and do another string of shows

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and another week and and it's it's it's

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crazy what it does to the year the year

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just blows by and we decided to slow

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down this year well apparently that's

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not happening love getting out there and

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hanging out with all of you so there you

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go we'll see everybody in two weeks of

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contact in the desert and then right

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after that Sol Tech gathering and then

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dimensions of disclosure Quarry Goods

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event which is the week after that third

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week of August don't forget to subscribe

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Terry just tweeted I just saw this hold

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up the new shirts for the bunker cam and

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I might be able to pull that off in the

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next break and so yeah there's a reason

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why I can actually do that tonight Terry

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but if you renew your game-changer you

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get the new fade to black t-shirts okay

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ight now let us know to when you renew

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if you don't want the new shirt and you

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want the old one let us know but alright

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let's see oh hell Jimmy how in the world

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can I get you over to my megalithic

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sunroom in Colorado it's 25 minutes away

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Stacy Stacy you're too warm and kind

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alright

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where am i I've got to get to this now I

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crackin happy birthday to today oh I

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didn't I didn't do

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that's right I skipped over I was so

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busy today because on this day in

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history

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oh TD 2010 Ronnie James Dio left this

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earth to sing for another audience Oh

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somebody just posted there you go

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and I I'll say this when when I started

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going through my thoughts with that

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today and and I wrote up a little

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article that I posted over and I'm

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stellar you can go and and read that and

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every year you know on this day every

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year you know I just I kind of get

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bummed out and and I don't want to be

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bummed out because of Ronnie he left way

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too early and at the prime of everything

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for him but you know you go through and

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and you you try to remember some things

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and you want to share it with everybody

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of course you know in Ronnie's memory

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and then you listen to you know some

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music which I did today and cranked it

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up and and you know it just bums me out

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bums me out so I asked everybody today

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just go listen to some Ronnie go listen

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to some Bo and and he can appreciate you

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know his gift because he was truly one

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of the greatest if not the greatest rock

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singer in the history of everything

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Ronnie James Dio on this day in history

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2010 passed away from cancer fader fact

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the first accountant in history okay now

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now I'm gonna say this again the first

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accountant in history

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his name was Khushi

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that's right it was from Mesopotamia and

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he lived around 3200 BC and that is a

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fader fact

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that's a cool that's a cool fact right

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there tonight very special guests are

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Isberg and got a lump in my throat see

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that's why I don't want to talk about

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Ronnie right I got a lump it hurts hurts

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I need James Dio tonight very special

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guest rizz Burke is here we're going to

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talk about his article on killer AI and

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it's an incredible article and I put up

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the links over at on stellar you can go

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and check it out there we'll get it up

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here in in Twitter in just a second and

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tomorrow night

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of course is Jon Rappoport Fator night

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and is no more fake newsroom live

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followed by open lines all night long

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okay here we go

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and I have a lump in my throat River

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moon coffee it's doc got lump in my

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throat here we go in a I got a lump in

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my throat people all right I I hope you

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understand in a published report from

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earlier this week we got this octopus's

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came to earth from space as frozen eggs

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that's right

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the headline read just that octopuses

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are aliens which evolved on another

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planet before arriving on earth hundreds

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of millions of years ago as Kryptos

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served eggs via process known as

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panspermia the report is entitled wait

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for it cause of Cambrian explosion

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terrestrial or cosmic which was

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co-authored by a group of 33 scientists

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and published in the progress in

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biophysics and molecular biology journal

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now some things you just can't make up

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now listen to me the paper says that the

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explanation for the sudden flourish

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of life during the Cambrian era often

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referred to as the Cambrian explosion

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lies in the stars as a result of the

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earth being bombarded by clouds of

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organic molecules but the scientists go

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on to make it even more extraordinary

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claim concerning octopuses which seem to

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have evolved on earth quite rapidly

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something like 270 million years ago 250

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million years after the Cambrian

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explosion the paper states and I'm

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quoting the genome of the octopus shows

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a staggering level of complexity with

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33,000 protein coding genes more than is

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present in us Homo sapiens now I am

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going to quote from the paper here and

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listen to every word quote it's large

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brain and sophisticated nervous system

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camera like eyes flexible bodies

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instantaneous camouflage via the ability

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to switch color and shape are just a few

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of the striking features that appear

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suddenly on the evolutionary chain the

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transformative genes leading to the

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consensus consensus ancestral Nautilus

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to the common cuttlefish to squid - to

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the common are not yet easily to be

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found in any pre-existing life-form it

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is plausible it is plausible than to

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suggest they seem to be borrowed from a

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far distant future in terms of

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terrestrial evolution or more

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realistically from the cosmos at large

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one plausible explanation in our view is

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that the new genes are likely new

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extraterrestrial imports to earth more

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plausibly as an already coherent group

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of functioning genes within say crypto

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krile

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served and matrix protected fertilized

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octopus eggs thus the possibility that

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crypto served squid and/or octopus eggs

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arrived in icy bolide several hundred

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million years ago and should not be

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discounted as that would be a cosmic

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explanation for the octopus sudden

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emergence on earth circa 270 million

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make sense really

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since octopuses are regarded as the most

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intelligence of all non vertebrates with

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the highest brain-to-body ratio and then

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you have to think about this because I

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did think about that film that came out

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2016 arrival and I remember when when

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the ETS came out from the fog they were

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giant octopuses weren't they

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this is one of the most incredible

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published scientific papers reports and

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research studies I have ever read and it

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is indeed incredible so when somebody

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says to you you know when will et get

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here you can bring up the octopus think

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about it

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it's a crazy thought right now have you

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ever have you ever seen an octopus open

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up a jar you've seen those videos right

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octopus and a tank they drop a jar in

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maybe put some food right that octopus

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unscrews the jar just pops the top off

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it's like nothing truly truly

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magnificent so there you go the

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octopuses appeared complete done unlike

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anything

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else in the evolutionary chain allegedly

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evolutionary I might add and when we

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think about us here and how we just

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appeared here a hundred and fifty

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thousand years ago that we just appeared

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with the correct forehead no hair on our

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bodies right the ability to speak think

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laugh emotions everything think about

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that I had to bring that to your

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attention the the report is unbelievable

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and I will give it to you here one more

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time it's published in the progress in

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biophysics and molecular biology journal

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it's unbelievable unbelievable

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unbelievable to read thirty three

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scientists alright tonight

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Riz virk is here we're gonna talk about

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killer AI tomorrow night is Fator night

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my favorite night of the week Jon

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Rappoport is good to be here no more

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fake newsroom live followed by your

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phone calls all night long what a great

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week we've had here on fade to black

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everything going on with on stellar at

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the same time this is a wonderful

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wonderful beautiful blue planet that we

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live on and I get to do all of this

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hanging out with you fade to black our

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meals can be Church I'll be right back

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with our guests rizz Virg stay with me

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[Music]

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you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy Church

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radio.com comments and we're listening

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[Music]

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all right welcome back pay the black

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coming up soon to church yeah I'm in a

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great mood

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throat

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show must go on as Ronnie would say

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tonight rizz Burke is with us tomorrow

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night is Fator night open lines all

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night long John Rappaport's gonna be

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here with his no more fake newsroom live

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after Riz posted his article and I think

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it was two weeks ago now I immediately

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called rizz and said what is going on

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with this and because you're calling me

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:12,130
to get on the show right I said yes so

616
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first things we we made this special

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00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:19,059
arrangement tonight to have R is here he

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00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:22,929
is a successful entrepreneur angel

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investor best-selling author video game

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industry pioneer independent film

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producer he currently runs Bayview labs

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and play labs at MIT startup accelerator

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held on campus at the Massachusetts

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00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:38,830
Institute of Technology rizz received a

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BS in computer science and engineering

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from MIT and MS and management from

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Stanford's

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GSB Riza's many startups have created

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products used by thousands of enterprise

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customers and his games have been

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downloaded millions of times including

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tap fish bingo run penny dreadful

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dimande and grim cards of fate rizz has

634
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:04,990
invested in many startups including

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Tapjoy telltale games discord funds eel

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pocket gems moon Express and many others

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he has also produced many independent

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films including turquoise Rose thrive in

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amazing film what on earth will it take

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serious and the cult classic Knights of

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Badassdom starring the one and only

642
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Peter Dinklage tonight we're gonna

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discuss his latest article the road to

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00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:34,060
killer AI ml plus blockchain plus io t

645
00:34:42,359 --> 00:34:39,580
plus drones equals Skynet his website is

646
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:42,369
Zen entrepreneur.com the links are over

647
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ahjumma church radio calm like to

648
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:46,270
welcome back the one and only R is Burke

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res goodie

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being how are you good evening Jimmy

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00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:52,990
it's great to be back you know R is look

652
00:35:02,280 --> 00:34:59,560
MIT Stanford investor Silicon Valley web

653
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internet genius I'm totally intimidated

654
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:05,230
by you but you're such a cool guy should

655
00:35:09,390 --> 00:35:07,300
I be intimidated because I don't have

656
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:09,400
all of those credentials you know I

657
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:12,610
don't have a CV like that well Jimmy

658
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,710
you're a pretty cool guy yourself so I

659
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:17,440
wouldn't be too intimidated especially

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:19,030
tonight we're gonna be talking you know

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00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,530
a little bit of science and a lot of

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00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:22,240
science fiction meld it together so I

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00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:25,600
think fun discussion so what you're

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00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:27,490
saying is you bring down the discussion

665
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to my level all right you know the I

666
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remember R is maybe was probably two

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years ago

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and I went down got up in the morning

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went down to my coffee machine and I was

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staring out the kitchen window as I was

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grinding some beans and that morning we

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had a traffic accident up the street and

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it knocked out a transformer and now

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I've got solar power right at the house

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so I went to grind the beans and the

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grinder wasn't running at full speed it

677
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:11,350
was running at half speed right because

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my house is now running on solar power

679
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instead of normal power and and while I

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00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:19,030
was trying to figure that out and then I

681
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:20,950
realized that the power was out then it

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then it came back on but as I was

683
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staring out the window I had this vision

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what if I woke up in the morning

685
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:33,220
and there was nothing nothing right

686
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,180
nothing and where we lost the Internet

687
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:39,520
and we lost electricity we lost

688
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:42,340
everything you know now my refrigerator

689
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:46,330
is is not on my smart refrigerator right

690
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:49,980
my smart phone is not working the

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00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:53,770
because the internet is down satellites

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:36:55,660
are down what would it you know just

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00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:00,450
some crazy event where that happened

694
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,750
the news I wouldn't be able to get to

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00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:06,300
find out what happened right because the

696
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,380
news can't get the news to report out

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00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:11,760
now what do you do you can't go to your

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neighbor he doesn't know and the this

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:19,250
would be the beginning of a very bad day

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00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:22,890
right I mean a bad day and quite

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00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:25,980
possibly if it continues a very bad week

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00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:28,980
and and I laid out this nightmare

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00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:32,070
scenario for everybody because it's

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00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:33,630
something that we really need to think

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00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:37,050
about because the IOT the Internet of

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00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:40,680
Things is everywhere now and it is a

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00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:44,040
huge industry putting the internet into

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00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:45,720
your toothbrush right putting it

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everywhere and if we continue our

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00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:51,540
dependency on the Internet if anything

711
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:54,900
goes wrong it's gonna go wrong in a bad

712
00:38:00,590 --> 00:37:57,990
bad way and I got a lot of feedback

713
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:00,600
about that and I turn around and I read

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00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,150
your article and I'm like this is what

715
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:05,760
I'm on about people you know I'm not the

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00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:08,180
only one that thinks about the

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complexities of the possibilities of

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00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:15,330
things taking over and if they go bad if

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00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:17,490
they choose to go bad we're in a bad

720
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,730
situation aren't we well we certainly

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00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:22,680
could be and I think you know that's

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part of what prompted me to write the

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article I mean we've gotten more and

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more dependent on I mean not just

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electronic so I mean we've had

726
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electrical devices for quite some time

727
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,890
right but we over time everything

728
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:37,680
started to use electricity and slowly

729
00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:40,920
everything is getting connected to the

730
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Internet and to each other and so you

731
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:46,650
know that raises this possibility of of

732
00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:49,700
cascading failures now on the one hand

733
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:51,870
you know you've got all these devices

734
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:53,190
connected and if we were to lose all

735
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:55,020
electricity it may not be the end of the

736
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,330
world in fact it might you know save us

737
00:39:00,920 --> 00:38:58,710
if we were ever in a disaster situation

738
00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:00,930
where you had an AI that was trying to

739
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,750
take over if we had no electricity then

740
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:06,300
the AI couldn't run you know one of the

741
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:07,770
gates I'm going to talk about later in

742
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:10,140
the show is this idea of an AI that

743
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:11,560
doesn't have an off so

744
00:39:17,340 --> 00:39:13,720
and that's really you know what we have

745
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:17,350
to wonder about well you know was during

746
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:18,610
our last show we were talking about

747
00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:20,680
blockchain some of your listeners might

748
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:22,180
have have been listening that night and

749
00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:24,250
towards the air and we started talking

750
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,080
about this idea of blockchain and

751
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:27,520
where's the intersection with AI and

752
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:29,260
that really got me thinking you know

753
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:31,090
about these buzzwords that are out there

754
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:33,100
today which are no longer buzzwords like

755
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:35,260
you said fridges are smart fridges now

756
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:36,910
right there are thousands and thousands

757
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:38,740
of those out there that can actually run

758
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,050
code so now you can run code in many

759
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:42,640
places that you couldn't before and

760
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,100
that's good because it gives us lots of

761
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:47,680
convenience but it's bad because we're

762
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:50,350
suddenly reliant you know on this this

763
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:53,110
interconnected machine world of you well

764
00:40:00,570 --> 00:39:57,160
I'm gonna get to the terms here in just

765
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:00,580
a second but when I hear you say that

766
00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:02,680
this is I mean who really needs a smart

767
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:05,350
refrigerator the answer is nobody right

768
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:07,900
I mean there is absolutely no need for a

769
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:11,080
smart refrigerator the reason why people

770
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:14,650
have them is because you know you're

771
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:16,990
competing with the Joneses do you

772
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:20,230
remember when no refrigerators had the

773
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:22,990
the water dispenser and the ice in the

774
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,300
front right but then those came out I

775
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:27,040
remember that right now everybody's got

776
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:30,040
to have one and so I look at it that way

777
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:33,790
everybody wants to have a 12 by 14 inch

778
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:36,430
display in front of the refrigerator

779
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:40,330
they don't need it but that that's part

780
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,190
of the problem nobody needs a you know a

781
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:47,200
razor or a toothbrush or a bathroom

782
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:49,750
mirror connected to the Internet you

783
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:52,930
don't right and eventually that the

784
00:40:57,090 --> 00:40:54,490
manufacturers are only gonna be

785
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:57,100
producing that dries versions I mean

786
00:41:01,650 --> 00:40:59,410
with like with TVs I mean you take an

787
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:01,660
old CRT TV and you can't even connect

788
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:03,970
you know either a DVD player or a

789
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:07,600
digital signal to the old TVs right so

790
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:09,130
pretty soon they won't even work anymore

791
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:10,990
and that's because the manufacturers are

792
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,090
constantly upgrading what's there so so

793
00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:14,560
I hear you and I agree with you that

794
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:16,660
that's happening yeah and the only way

795
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:18,580
to get people to buy new bathroom

796
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,530
mirrors that they would never replace in

797
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:23,200
their house for 50 years has put a chip

798
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:23,980
in it

799
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:27,760
now you know and so that all

800
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:30,670
manufacturers are looking at just that

801
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,670
right how do we get a chip into our

802
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:36,640
products no matter what the product is

803
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:39,490
you know to typify it and get it on the

804
00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:45,670
IOT and and I understand manufacturing

805
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:49,150
and capitalism and and markets I totally

806
00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:51,010
get that and you've got to sell new

807
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:54,040
product how do you do it well you create

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00:41:59,100 --> 00:41:58,120
the next thing and certainly the IOT has

809
00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:59,110
done just that

810
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:03,040
let's go to these terms here let's go

811
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:09,460
with first off rize's formula is ml plus

812
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:12,310
blockchain + Alt + drones equals Skynet

813
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:14,950
let's start at the front and let's go

814
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:19,240
with ml what is ml okay so ml is

815
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:22,450
shorthand for machine learning right and

816
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:25,030
so that's why you know the AI within the

817
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:27,250
last few years has gotten more

818
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:29,410
sophisticated than the AI we used to

819
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:31,900
have you know back in the 80s and 90s I

820
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:33,430
remember when you know when I was in

821
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:35,530
high school in the 80s reading about how

822
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:38,020
the Japanese were going to have AI that

823
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,050
was as good as a human by the end of the

824
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:42,880
decade that decade that was the 80s

825
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:44,590
right of course that didn't happen right

826
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:47,110
so there was a whole first wave of AI

827
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:49,780
which was based on rules and heuristics

828
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:52,060
and code and they had to try to figure

829
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:53,740
out what the rules were and that proved

830
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:56,200
to be pretty difficult and so you know

831
00:43:00,780 --> 00:42:58,510
machine learning refers to the idea that

832
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:00,790
the software the computer program can

833
00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:04,240
learn based upon data that we give it

834
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:07,150
and so you know this started with neural

835
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:08,650
networks simple neural networks which

836
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:11,260
we're trying to emulate what happens

837
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:12,940
inside the brain and you would feed it a

838
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:15,010
bunch of data like for handwriting you

839
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:16,840
would feed it a bunch of examples of

840
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:18,850
people writing the letter T in cursive

841
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:23,320
or you know in non cursive or or you

842
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:26,380
know from a typed paper and then the

843
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:28,930
machine would learn based upon the input

844
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:31,210
you said this is a T this is an a this

845
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,700
is a B and eventually you know

846
00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:35,200
handwriting recognition got pretty good

847
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:36,700
I mean it's still not perfect but it's

848
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:37,240
way better

849
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:39,430
now than it was before so is this idea

850
00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:42,790
that machines can learn based on data

851
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:44,440
that you provide it that's really what

852
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:47,650
ml is all about yeah so when you and I

853
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:50,890
remember doing that with Ben I forget

854
00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:53,110
those little assistants

855
00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:54,520
what were they called those little

856
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:00,310
digital assistants like the what were

857
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:05,790
those called they were Newton was one

858
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:09,460
how quickly we forget

859
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:11,740
but anyway where you had to write you

860
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,700
know letters in and it would learn your

861
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:17,940
handwriting so that's a machine learning

862
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:19,810
yeah so that was sort of the beginning

863
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:22,420
of machine learning palm nowadays Palm

864
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,210
Pilot Palm Pilots Palm Pilot that's it

865
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,670
yeah there you go Palm Pilots right it

866
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:29,200
had different ways to write different

867
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:31,750
letters so that it would be easy for the

868
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:34,210
machine to recognize it so now machine

869
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:35,650
learning is being used for facial

870
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:38,740
recognition it's being used for

871
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:40,810
you know self-driving cars we're gonna

872
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:42,730
talk a lot about that because autonomous

873
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:45,340
cars are really a precursor to lots of

874
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:47,290
other autonomous things but they feed

875
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:50,320
images of the real world backed up by

876
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:52,540
humans so you know when you're on the

877
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:54,550
internet and you get these the CAPTCHAs

878
00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:56,170
and they give you these pictures now

879
00:45:00,120 --> 00:44:58,540
let's say you know which of these has a

880
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,130
car in it which of these pictures or

881
00:45:05,849 --> 00:45:02,280
which of these pictures has a sign in it

882
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:05,859
well some of those are data that's

883
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:07,750
already known to them and they just want

884
00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:09,310
to verify that you're a human not a

885
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:11,859
robot and some of those are new pictures

886
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:14,230
that they haven't yet classified and

887
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:17,350
they want the humans to say whether it's

888
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:19,869
a sign or a car so they can feed it to

889
00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:22,030
the AI and test if the AI is actually

890
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:23,800
working or the machine learning is

891
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,750
working correctly and that scares the

892
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:28,480
crap out of me yeah so every time you

893
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:29,950
fill out one of the hosts like two of

894
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:31,990
those are like new images and the other

895
00:45:37,590 --> 00:45:33,580
eight are old images and so they're

896
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:37,600
using you know human feedback as a way

897
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,510
to then feed the AI you know and the

898
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:43,359
machine learning you know in back at the

899
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:47,260
house in my garage I probably have three

900
00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:49,570
Palm Pilots

901
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:53,800
just thinking about that man okay now of

902
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:57,270
course now we have the blockchain and

903
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:00,190
give us your short version of what the

904
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,290
blockchain is we discussed it a lot here

905
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:04,800
on the show but you would probably

906
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,570
simplify it for everybody so they can

907
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:09,040
understand what the blockchain is what

908
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:11,470
is blockchain yeah so for for the

909
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:13,660
purposes of our discussion tonight and

910
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:15,490
we're really concerned about one aspect

911
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:17,020
one or two aspects of the blockchain

912
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:20,110
which is that a blockchain is a series

913
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:23,380
of computers around the world that are

914
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,680
all agreeing on something all right so

915
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:29,200
with Bitcoin they're agreeing on who

916
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:31,210
transferred the Bitcoin where so the

917
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:33,490
blockchain is a long list of everybody's

918
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:35,650
transactions right but it's the

919
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:38,050
peer-to-peer component that's really

920
00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:39,400
important for our discussion tonight

921
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:42,520
because there's no one central machine

922
00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:44,410
saying like for example with Bank of

923
00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:46,540
America you have to go to their server

924
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:49,060
their mainframe keeps track in their

925
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:52,180
database of the of the official amount

926
00:46:56,610 --> 00:46:54,940
in anybody's give an account assuming

927
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:56,620
there's no funny business going on like

928
00:47:01,650 --> 00:46:59,380
there was with Wells Fargo but in the

929
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:01,660
blockchain no one machine has that

930
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,150
central database so all the machines are

931
00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:06,640
kind of processing at the same time now

932
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:08,320
the second thing that they do and this

933
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:09,880
is kind of important for tonight is they

934
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:13,960
they also run code so for example many

935
00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:15,490
of your listeners may have heard of not

936
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:16,780
just Bitcoin but aetherium

937
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:18,580
which is the second biggest

938
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:20,590
cryptocurrency and blockchain out there

939
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:23,290
and the reason if there even was

940
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,240
invented that it's inventor of italic

941
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:27,910
you know he wanted to write more code in

942
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:29,170
the Bitcoin blockchain and he really

943
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:30,400
couldn't so he said let's create this

944
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:32,260
new block Jane called aetherium and I'll

945
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:33,610
actually write a bunch of code in there

946
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:35,950
called smart contracts and so that's

947
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:37,510
what's relevant for our discussion

948
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:39,700
tonight is the blockchain provides a way

949
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:42,460
for lots of computers around the world

950
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,680
to be running the exact same code and

951
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:46,720
that's where you can't just shut it off

952
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:49,870
with any one computer very interesting

953
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:54,310
so it's alive yep it's live in a way

954
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:55,990
right yeah as long as there are servers

955
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,210
out there that have the software and it

956
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:00,960
also helps for

957
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:05,609
nearly prevents fraud right because the

958
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:07,950
idea is that since you have so many

959
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,830
different machines agreeing you know you

960
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:12,599
could hack one of those machines but

961
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:16,800
that won't you know they won't impact

962
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,270
the overall process so you'd have to

963
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:20,880
hack 51% of the machines you would have

964
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,660
to have 51% and the other before you if

965
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:27,359
you got through and hacked one the

966
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:30,050
others would override that quickly

967
00:48:35,570 --> 00:48:32,550
exactly they're constants I checked the

968
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,580
longest chain right even if you hack 51%

969
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:36,960
you might be able to say okay I'm

970
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:38,570
creating a new block in the blockchain

971
00:48:43,099 --> 00:48:41,430
here but you're blocking me if you went

972
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,109
back and tried to take somebody else's

973
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:45,000
Bitcoin long ago you'd have to catch up

974
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:46,500
because the chain has already been

975
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:48,210
processed by all these computers along

976
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,619
the way so it is possible to hack if

977
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:51,630
it's very difficult it is it is and

978
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:53,609
they're constantly updating constantly

979
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:56,339
and everything is time-stamped too as

980
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:57,930
well so they go back to see when the

981
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,680
error occurred exactly yep and that's

982
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:03,420
happened in the history of Bitcoin where

983
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:04,710
the foundation had to kind of agree

984
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,290
before the change force every now and

985
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:08,940
then you'll hear about Forks on the

986
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:10,050
chain we won't get into that too much

987
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:11,400
tonight since we're concerned more about

988
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:15,660
this peer-to-peer aspect 1 & 2 the

989
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,210
ability to run code across the peers

990
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:20,099
that's why it's included in the equation

991
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:24,599
now now we have the IOT which is quickly

992
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:27,540
becoming one of the most popular terms

993
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,950
on planet earth what is IOT so IOT

994
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:34,260
stands for the Internet of Things right

995
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:35,849
and that is pretty much what you were

996
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,930
talking about with the smart

997
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,000
refrigerators but it's not limited or

998
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:40,619
refrigerators or the idea is that any

999
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,990
physical device you know can have a

1000
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,180
connection to the Internet which means

1001
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:47,880
it can send data back to the

1002
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:50,220
manufacturers database you can keep

1003
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:53,130
track of what's going on you know you

1004
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,109
have the cars connected to the Internet

1005
00:49:58,579 --> 00:49:57,540
you have all kinds of objects and

1006
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,589
devices like you said eventually

1007
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,720
toothbrushes connected to the Internet

1008
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,460
all that data is being sent over the

1009
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:05,460
internet somewhere but it provides a way

1010
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:08,339
in to physical devices that wasn't there

1011
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:11,550
before right even things like you know

1012
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,850
to unlock a door right

1013
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:15,680
the office you've probably seen this

1014
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,630
some office spaces now you bring up your

1015
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:20,240
app on your smartphone you say unlock

1016
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:20,870
the door

1017
00:50:25,330 --> 00:50:22,970
rather than using a physical key anymore

1018
00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:25,340
right so that's is sending a message

1019
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,840
through the Internet to some server

1020
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:28,640
which is sending the message to that

1021
00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:31,640
door which means that that door is also

1022
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:33,500
part of the Internet of Things because

1023
00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:35,390
it's now connected and it has some code

1024
00:50:39,790 --> 00:50:37,880
that is running on it yeah a smart house

1025
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:39,800
is scary when you think about your

1026
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:43,460
thermostat your refrigerator your your

1027
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:47,630
garage door your lights your television

1028
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:53,800
and everything in your room become a

1029
00:50:59,050 --> 00:50:57,650
huge much everything is becomes a part

1030
00:51:00,820 --> 00:50:59,060
of the Internet of Things and smart

1031
00:51:02,830 --> 00:51:00,830
homes is one aspect of that now there's

1032
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:02,840
some convenience is there right when

1033
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:04,100
you're traveling you can turn off your

1034
00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:06,140
lights you can turn them on you can see

1035
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:07,670
who's at your door so there are some

1036
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:10,250
positives there but it's this fact that

1037
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:12,860
code is running everywhere is why it's

1038
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:14,900
part of this equation enough ml plus

1039
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:16,490
blockchain plus I have T plus drones

1040
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:20,510
equals Scott three years ago I did I did

1041
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:23,480
one of my rant and I said you know what

1042
00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:27,740
would it be like if your bathroom mirror

1043
00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:30,860
you walk up and you turn on the TV it's

1044
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:32,300
inside of your mirror and you're

1045
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:34,550
watching you know the news the morning

1046
00:51:39,610 --> 00:51:37,610
show and you're doing that and the

1047
00:51:43,390 --> 00:51:39,620
mirror is talking to you telling you you

1048
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:43,400
need to shave today and and you get down

1049
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:47,360
and you pick up your electric razor and

1050
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:50,360
it needs to be charged and your mirror

1051
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:52,430
is telling you to charge right and

1052
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:53,570
you're going through all it kind of

1053
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:56,540
sounds cool at first but I said you

1054
00:52:01,210 --> 00:51:58,490
don't know who's now looking at you in

1055
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:01,220
the mirror number one and number two you

1056
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,690
are now completely connected to somebody

1057
00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:08,000
else's software that is now monitoring

1058
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:09,830
everything about your daily life so I

1059
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,710
did this whole thing and the next day my

1060
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:14,240
phone rings I pick it up it's a friend

1061
00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:15,650
of mine here in Southern California goes

1062
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:17,840
dude I heard your show last night I said

1063
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,270
really you listen to because I do and I

1064
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:21,680
was listening guess what I'm doing right

1065
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:24,380
now I said what because I'm writing code

1066
00:52:27,069 --> 00:52:26,660
for a company here in Southern

1067
00:52:29,979 --> 00:52:27,079
California

1068
00:52:34,209 --> 00:52:29,989
or Nia for bathroom mirrors and

1069
00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:34,219
toothbrushes because dude we are doing

1070
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:35,660
it right now we're bringing it to market

1071
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:37,700
and that was three years ago

1072
00:52:42,339 --> 00:52:39,140
and I was just letting my imagination

1073
00:52:45,579 --> 00:52:42,349
run I remember Rita after that

1074
00:52:48,249 --> 00:52:45,589
Riz she literally came up to me because

1075
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:48,259
do you really think come on Jimmy you

1076
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,380
know you're scared I said no it's I'm

1077
00:52:56,170 --> 00:52:54,079
what I'm afraid of is hackers yeah

1078
00:53:00,039 --> 00:52:56,180
that's what I'm afraid of if you go and

1079
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:00,049
and if if a hacker really wanted because

1080
00:53:03,339 --> 00:53:01,849
these are all running on Android right

1081
00:53:06,279 --> 00:53:03,349
most of the Internet of Things is

1082
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:06,289
running on Android and if a hacker out

1083
00:53:13,469 --> 00:53:10,910
there is really wanted to get those $300

1084
00:53:18,759 --> 00:53:13,479
ransoms right you don't hack computers

1085
00:53:22,059 --> 00:53:18,769
pack the United States food supply pack

1086
00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:22,069
their refrigerators you'll get 300 bucks

1087
00:53:29,259 --> 00:53:26,809
a pop very quickly because that and just

1088
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:29,269
think about that you know and that is

1089
00:53:33,489 --> 00:53:31,849
that is where we need to think about

1090
00:53:35,859 --> 00:53:33,499
cutting off the world and not

1091
00:53:37,809 --> 00:53:35,869
necessarily plugging in everywhere but

1092
00:53:40,779 --> 00:53:37,819
that's the Internet of Things I think

1093
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:40,789
it's a dangerous zone too to continue

1094
00:53:45,099 --> 00:53:43,609
moving into I think quite recklessly

1095
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:45,109
we're not we're not looking at the

1096
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:47,930
implications I agree with you and I

1097
00:53:51,549 --> 00:53:49,729
think you know we're it's still a little

1098
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,559
ways before all these things talk to

1099
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:53,839
each other but the fact that they have

1100
00:53:58,569 --> 00:53:55,849
you know an Android based operating

1101
00:54:00,430 --> 00:53:58,579
system for example means that you know

1102
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:00,440
anybody who knows that operating system

1103
00:54:07,089 --> 00:54:04,729
can figure out a way to get a code you

1104
00:54:10,299 --> 00:54:07,099
know on to those devices and you know I

1105
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:10,309
I saw an app that somebody showed me

1106
00:54:16,269 --> 00:54:12,890
once that you know where he connected to

1107
00:54:18,819 --> 00:54:16,279
your local area network at somebody's

1108
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:18,829
house and he said oh there's some

1109
00:54:22,449 --> 00:54:21,170
viruses on this and that on your Smart

1110
00:54:25,809 --> 00:54:22,459
TV on that that you don't even know

1111
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:25,819
about so people are already you know

1112
00:54:30,279 --> 00:54:28,609
sending viruses to the internet of

1113
00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:30,289
things and usually you don't know about

1114
00:54:34,479 --> 00:54:32,719
it you don't know it's there unless you

1115
00:54:35,949 --> 00:54:34,489
have you know something that can scan

1116
00:54:38,529 --> 00:54:35,959
most virus software we have today is

1117
00:54:40,359 --> 00:54:38,539
built for scanning your computer not

1118
00:54:43,809 --> 00:54:40,369
your fridge right it's right right

1119
00:54:46,089 --> 00:54:43,819
right and and it only takes you know one

1120
00:54:48,099 --> 00:54:46,099
bad actor out there it's all easy to do

1121
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:48,109
they just have to have a reason to do it

1122
00:54:52,539 --> 00:54:51,470
or some spare time Rita just tweeted I

1123
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:52,549
don't know if you saw this where she

1124
00:55:00,430 --> 00:54:55,460
goes what would a smart toothbrush do in

1125
00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:00,440
case of an AI rebellion my reply back

1126
00:55:06,279 --> 00:55:02,390
was I don't even need to think about

1127
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:06,289
that other things that could be

1128
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,180
problematic I don't know if you saw the

1129
00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:10,640
and I think you did see the x-files

1130
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:13,220
episode yes wouldn't your show last time

1131
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,150
we had the Roomba yeah the Roomba but

1132
00:55:20,739 --> 00:55:18,799
they had the sushi chefs who were robots

1133
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:20,749
yes because they didn't leave a tip

1134
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:23,150
those robots were connecting the central

1135
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,940
server which was connecting to their

1136
00:55:29,769 --> 00:55:27,680
autonomous driver for their uber like

1137
00:55:31,299 --> 00:55:29,779
cars back home right which was they were

1138
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:31,309
then connecting to their doors and

1139
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:32,990
locking the door and having the Roomba

1140
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:34,910
attack them and then the drones that

1141
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:37,430
were delivering the Amazon packages you

1142
00:55:41,259 --> 00:55:39,529
know we're starting to gang up on them

1143
00:55:42,849 --> 00:55:41,269
and you know we've got the technology

1144
00:55:45,130 --> 00:55:42,859
for that we're not very far off from

1145
00:55:47,049 --> 00:55:45,140
that I mean that could happen soon the

1146
00:55:49,269 --> 00:55:47,059
AI that would do it all is not quite

1147
00:55:52,359 --> 00:55:49,279
there yet but the connections are there

1148
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:52,369
yeah it's a scary scary thought and we

1149
00:55:57,249 --> 00:55:55,130
are right I mean we are so close it's

1150
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,259
like lemmings to the sea right we're all

1151
00:56:03,130 --> 00:55:58,960
on the edge of the cliff right now

1152
00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:03,140
taking a peek we're taking a peek yeah

1153
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:04,819
it's good to have you know some backup

1154
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:07,190
the other day you know I was in San

1155
00:56:11,289 --> 00:56:09,529
Francisco and we were trying to call an

1156
00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:11,299
uber and meanwhile there were these cabs

1157
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:13,069
just driving right by us it's like I had

1158
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:14,900
forgotten how to call a cab because I'm

1159
00:56:19,150 --> 00:56:17,480
so used to going into my phone and

1160
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:19,160
getting a car to come to me it's like oh

1161
00:56:21,759 --> 00:56:20,450
the old fashioned way of holding out

1162
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:21,769
your hand actually still works so

1163
00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:24,200
sometimes we need to have backup ways of

1164
00:56:33,069 --> 00:56:28,420
doing things you forgot how to go analog

1165
00:56:36,430 --> 00:56:33,079
right that's funny all right and then of

1166
00:56:40,839 --> 00:56:36,440
course we have the next piece of your

1167
00:56:42,910 --> 00:56:40,849
equation is drones now we are I would

1168
00:56:45,489 --> 00:56:42,920
love to hear your definition of drones

1169
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:45,499
you can go into any electronics store

1170
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,700
now any any any store you walk in the

1171
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:51,170
front door and that's what they've got

1172
00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:54,380
stacked up drones drones or every work

1173
00:57:01,090 --> 00:56:57,230
Frye's they I don't know how many drones

1174
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:01,100
fry cells in a day but if their displays

1175
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:03,710
of drones are any indication it just

1176
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:07,580
it's got to be just tons its ballooning

1177
00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:10,610
and it's a pretty big area right now and

1178
00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:12,140
I know that a lot of venture capital

1179
00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:13,660
investment has gone into that area

1180
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:16,070
because more and more people are using

1181
00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:17,840
drones now most of the drones are like

1182
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:19,400
the quad copters right or they've got

1183
00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:21,710
the four little propellers right and you

1184
00:57:27,070 --> 00:57:24,350
can do that you know for a small size or

1185
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:27,080
a big size and so drones by themselves

1186
00:57:31,870 --> 00:57:28,970
aren't that dangerous but if you look at

1187
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:31,880
the drones we use in the military you

1188
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:33,260
know particularly as we're bombing in

1189
00:57:38,140 --> 00:57:35,210
like Afghanistan or Pakistan which is

1190
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:38,150
actually where I was born you've got

1191
00:57:41,650 --> 00:57:39,650
these drones that look a little bit

1192
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,660
different from the drones that Frye's is

1193
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:44,000
selling those drones look more like

1194
00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:45,200
little airplanes

1195
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:47,480
where's the drones you know we're

1196
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,860
getting are like these little you know

1197
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:51,440
quad copters or little helicopters and

1198
00:57:57,010 --> 00:57:54,590
so drones become dangerous when they get

1199
00:58:00,220 --> 00:57:57,020
combined with weapons right so

1200
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:00,230
weaponized drones is the real fear here

1201
00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:01,730
and if you look at some of the drones

1202
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:04,340
today and you know I used at the end of

1203
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:07,460
this formula I say equal Skynet as you

1204
00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:09,050
may know I'm a big fan of the Terminator

1205
00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:10,670
movies mm-hmm and you know they have

1206
00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:12,560
these things called HKS or a hunter

1207
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,540
killers and you look at them and they're

1208
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:16,160
just like they start off as little

1209
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:18,080
drones and then they become more and

1210
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:20,570
more sophisticated drones that can go up

1211
00:58:24,670 --> 00:58:22,280
and down and can fly anywhere so once

1212
00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:24,680
you combine drones with weapons now

1213
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:26,630
we're in dangerous territory we're close

1214
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:28,190
to unlocking you know one of these gates

1215
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:29,660
that I talked about I got to take a

1216
00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:31,400
break right here so let's get the

1217
00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:33,470
breakout and then we'll continue the

1218
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,080
discussion when we come back our guest

1219
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:38,000
tonight rizz Virk and we're discussing

1220
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:40,690
his latest article the road to killer AI

1221
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:43,880
ml plus blockchain plus io t plus drones

1222
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:46,450
equals Skynet

1223
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:50,330
rizz Burke unbelievable article you can

1224
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check it out over at hacker noon dot-com

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welcome back pain to black I'm your host

1296
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Jimmy church tonight rizz Burke is here

1297
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:57,510
now this article that he wrote called

1298
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:00,480
the road to killer AI ml plus blockchain

1299
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:04,770
+ io t + drones equals a Skynet now it's

1300
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:07,890
an important it's an important article

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01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:10,880
because I think all of us can step back

1302
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:13,710
absorb this I don't think it's there to

1303
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:16,970
scare us but certainly make us aware of

1304
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:19,560
how this technology has creeped into

1305
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,410
every aspect of our lives and and I

1306
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:24,900
don't think we've quite noticed the

1307
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:27,660
intrusion but back to this drone thing

1308
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:29,390
Burke

1309
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:34,680
Riz verse cultures Berg Riz is is this

1310
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:36,570
somebody that's you know graduated from

1311
01:03:46,010 --> 01:03:39,030
Stanford and MIT and I just call them

1312
01:03:49,310 --> 01:03:46,020
Burke yo Burke you know I have so much

1313
01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:49,320
respect for you and you are free to call

1314
01:03:56,660 --> 01:03:53,340
me Church is this I thought to myself a

1315
01:04:00,500 --> 01:03:56,670
couple of years ago and I know that it's

1316
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,510
an easy polluted thought to have but I

1317
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:03,420
have I have a few drones ok I do I I

1318
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:05,370
have radio control cars and helicopters

1319
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:08,430
and drones and and I dig that stuff

1320
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:10,350
they're fun and plus I can terrorize my

1321
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:12,810
dogs with them which is is that you know

1322
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,970
that's the bonus but I'm sitting here

1323
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:16,740
looking at them and I thought because

1324
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:21,450
one of my one of my drones has a little

1325
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:25,410
cannon on it and the cannon shoots these

1326
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:30,150
little tiny green balls right little

1327
01:04:34,790 --> 01:04:32,970
tiny green balls they don't hunt you

1328
01:04:36,860 --> 01:04:34,800
know they just you know they just they

1329
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:36,870
cast through the air they don't shoot in

1330
01:04:43,790 --> 01:04:39,090
a straight line right but anyway it's

1331
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:43,800
fun to use on your dog's by anyway and I

1332
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:46,020
was thinking about self what would stop

1333
01:04:53,060 --> 01:04:49,920
somebody from like putting a Glock on a

1334
01:04:55,310 --> 01:04:53,070
drone and figuring out it's not it's you

1335
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,320
know and and with a good remote control

1336
01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:57,200
you've got all kinds of

1337
01:05:03,850 --> 01:04:59,660
additional commands that you can do and

1338
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:03,860
you know Herc hook up a servo to it and

1339
01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:05,150
just hit the button and boom and start

1340
01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:06,620
pulling a trigger right and you've

1341
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:08,630
already got the camera there in high-def

1342
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:12,410
and and right after that thought popped

1343
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:15,830
in my head I see a video on YouTube

1344
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:18,050
dude's got a Glock on a drone and he's

1345
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:20,930
out on a target range with it firing off

1346
01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:26,720
this clock now we talk about Isis okay I

1347
01:05:32,590 --> 01:05:29,240
get that but you can do it with whatever

1348
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:32,600
you buy at Fry's and and that's that's a

1349
01:05:37,780 --> 01:05:34,940
scary scary thought and and to have it

1350
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:37,790
taken over or maybe run by somebody else

1351
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:40,580
you only need the germ of the idea to

1352
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:43,490
have it run away with the crazies out

1353
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:47,180
there well yeah that's true and you know

1354
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,330
once the weapons are on the drones which

1355
01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:52,400
they are to a certain extent already and

1356
01:05:55,570 --> 01:05:54,350
you said you saw that YouTube video

1357
01:05:58,020 --> 01:05:55,580
there's another YouTube video that's

1358
01:06:00,310 --> 01:05:58,030
pretty scary is by a berkeley professor

1359
01:06:02,650 --> 01:06:00,320
named Stuart Russell who's an AI

1360
01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:02,660
researcher and you know he created a

1361
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:05,360
video called slaughter BOTS and he's

1362
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:07,310
showing these little drones very small

1363
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:08,450
drones just like the ones you buy at

1364
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:10,850
Fry's but even smaller and he's

1365
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:12,470
presenting it as if it's a company that

1366
01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:14,840
makes these right kind of like getting

1367
01:06:18,460 --> 01:06:16,340
back to the Terminator Cyberdyne systems

1368
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:18,470
right if any of you have been to the

1369
01:06:24,730 --> 01:06:22,610
Universal Studios a terminator 2 exhibit

1370
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:24,740
at down in Florida and I think they have

1371
01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:26,660
one in California now as well you know

1372
01:06:29,860 --> 01:06:28,430
you walk through the simulated Cyberdyne

1373
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:29,870
systems and they show you all their

1374
01:06:34,090 --> 01:06:31,610
latest models of these killer robots

1375
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:34,100
well this video was kind of like that

1376
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:36,290
with these small drones and they had

1377
01:06:39,250 --> 01:06:37,940
some explosives on the drones and you

1378
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:39,260
could see while he was talking the

1379
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,690
camera from the drone had him as a

1380
01:06:44,590 --> 01:06:43,280
target and then later they showed a

1381
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:44,600
target of something else in the drone

1382
01:06:48,310 --> 01:06:46,730
had an explosive device and it just went

1383
01:06:49,870 --> 01:06:48,320
and you know killed a dummy in this case

1384
01:06:52,270 --> 01:06:49,880
it was just a dummy but it was a pretty

1385
01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:52,280
scary video because we're not that far

1386
01:06:58,510 --> 01:06:55,820
from being able to do that and if you're

1387
01:07:00,970 --> 01:06:58,520
controlling it electronically well then

1388
01:07:04,210 --> 01:07:00,980
it can be hacked either by hackers today

1389
01:07:05,710 --> 01:07:04,220
or by an AI in the future so anyone

1390
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:05,720
who's worried about you know killer AI

1391
01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:08,240
it's it's an interesting video to see

1392
01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:10,820
online with respect to drones

1393
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:13,580
now let's go to let's start to break

1394
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:15,530
this down now that we have the equation

1395
01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:18,920
oh oh of course Skynet now we're all

1396
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:21,590
well no you know what whenever I say

1397
01:07:25,570 --> 01:07:23,810
we're all familiar with Skynet I'll see

1398
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:25,580
the tweet come in I'll get an email what

1399
01:07:31,060 --> 01:07:29,150
is Skynet so let's let's just get keep

1400
01:07:36,030 --> 01:07:31,070
everybody up on top of this what is

1401
01:07:39,610 --> 01:07:36,040
Skynet well so Skynet is the killer a AI

1402
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,620
from the Terminator series of movies and

1403
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:42,470
the idea is that there's a in this

1404
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:43,940
fictional universe right

1405
01:07:50,050 --> 01:07:46,010
there's a company Cyberdyne systems

1406
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:50,060
that's building AI and that AI becomes

1407
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:52,970
self-aware at a certain point but before

1408
01:07:59,020 --> 01:07:55,760
it becomes self-aware the military uses

1409
01:08:01,840 --> 01:07:59,030
Skynet to replace pilots on planes and

1410
01:08:03,630 --> 01:08:01,850
all military missions and the efficiency

1411
01:08:06,070 --> 01:08:03,640
of the military missions goes way up

1412
01:08:08,980 --> 01:08:06,080
because theoretically the AI doesn't

1413
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:08,990
make a mistake so that's all interesting

1414
01:08:13,390 --> 01:08:11,180
from the perspective of the military

1415
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:13,400
initially but then Skynet becomes

1416
01:08:18,579 --> 01:08:15,890
self-aware and decides that the only way

1417
01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:18,589
for it to survive is to kill the humans

1418
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:21,380
so it since it has connections into the

1419
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:23,630
military system at that point it fires

1420
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:26,410
our nuclear weapons against ourselves

1421
01:08:32,829 --> 01:08:30,010
and then it also creates actual robots

1422
01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:32,839
physical robots that it can use like the

1423
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:34,280
Terminator which is the character that

1424
01:08:38,710 --> 01:08:35,950
Arnold Schwarzenegger played which was a

1425
01:08:40,150 --> 01:08:38,720
cybernetic organism a machine that was

1426
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:40,160
sent back in time now we're getting into

1427
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:41,540
you know different parts of the story

1428
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:43,130
but Skynet itself

1429
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:46,130
it was the master AI that decided it

1430
01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:48,350
didn't need humans anymore and maybe it

1431
01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:50,390
needed a few so it used his robots to

1432
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:51,109
enslave them

1433
01:09:00,370 --> 01:08:55,570
now when Terminator 2 came out the

1434
01:09:03,220 --> 01:09:00,380
Pentium chip wasn't out yet Windows 95

1435
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:03,230
wasn't out yet the internet although it

1436
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:07,310
was there was was there for a couple of

1437
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:08,600
hundred people around the United States

1438
01:09:14,829 --> 01:09:11,570
that were you know sharing email with

1439
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:14,839
each other and it was starting to grow

1440
01:09:21,940 --> 01:09:18,770
but nobody knew what the internet or the

1441
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:21,950
future or America Online was now you

1442
01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:23,370
know when Terminator 2

1443
01:09:28,310 --> 01:09:25,590
was launched so the vision of the future

1444
01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:28,320
with Skynet and what Cameron did there

1445
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:32,120
was which which was a pretty solid

1446
01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:35,580
futurist view of things to come but we

1447
01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:38,520
actually arrived yeah it really was and

1448
01:09:41,330 --> 01:09:39,720
I don't know if you know the story of

1449
01:09:42,770 --> 01:09:41,340
how he came up with the idea but you

1450
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,780
know the first time I was on your show

1451
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,400
is talking about my book treasure hunt

1452
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:46,500
which is all about where do we get our

1453
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:48,150
intuitions that lead us down a certain

1454
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:50,670
path in life which I call clues to

1455
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:52,770
follow so James Cameron was a young

1456
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:54,810
filmmaker working on these B movies I

1457
01:09:59,210 --> 01:09:56,940
think it was like John Carpenter movies

1458
01:10:00,560 --> 01:09:59,220
or something he was in Italy and one day

1459
01:10:02,420 --> 01:10:00,570
was really sick and he couldn't go to

1460
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,430
the set so it was kind of in a delirium

1461
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:04,800
and he had this dream about robots

1462
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:07,170
emerging from the fire you know and he

1463
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:09,000
woke up and he didn't really know what

1464
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:10,710
to do with it so he drew a picture of

1465
01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:13,080
these robots emerging from a fire and he

1466
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,790
presented it to his friend Gail who was

1467
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:16,800
also working on the movies and she said

1468
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:18,870
well what's the story behind this you

1469
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:21,330
know can you expand on it so he then

1470
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:23,250
ended up writing the script for the

1471
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:25,320
Terminator and Gale Anne Hurd became the

1472
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:27,060
producer and James Cameron we know is

1473
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:28,380
one of the most famous directors of all

1474
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:30,450
time but you know he was falling a clue

1475
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,890
that came to him in the middle the night

1476
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:33,600
so I think there was a lot of precedents

1477
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:35,580
there we're only now beginning to see

1478
01:10:39,170 --> 01:10:37,110
you know how something like this could

1479
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,180
actually happen I think back then we

1480
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:40,560
didn't really know how we would go from

1481
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:43,650
where we were - to this kind of you know

1482
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,420
general artificial intelligence that

1483
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:47,640
wants to take over well now as we look

1484
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:50,940
at your formula here the first step in

1485
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:55,880
this conversation has to be can AI

1486
01:11:02,020 --> 01:10:59,520
surpass humans and certainly that

1487
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:02,030
discussion is is out there daily and

1488
01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:06,840
that is a date in our future that is is

1489
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:10,830
much discussed is it possible well so

1490
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:14,430
you know back in the 50s or 60s Alan

1491
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:16,170
Turing who was one of the fathers of

1492
01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:19,710
computer science and another colleague

1493
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:21,720
of his you know they had talked about

1494
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,380
this idea of a point at which AI gets to

1495
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:27,600
be more intelligent than humans

1496
01:11:30,860 --> 01:11:29,880
and I don't remember who exactly who was

1497
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:30,870
one of them came up with the term the

1498
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:34,230
singularity which was that point and

1499
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,350
then later you know you had people like

1500
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:40,140
fiction writer Vernor Vinge and Ray

1501
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:42,150
Kurzweil and others start popularizing

1502
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,420
that term the singularity and you know

1503
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,280
one of the people who's been really

1504
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:50,400
concerned about this this topic is a

1505
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:52,440
researcher at Oxford his name is Nick

1506
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:54,780
Bostrom and he wrote a book called super

1507
01:11:59,210 --> 01:11:56,910
intelligence which is all about how AI

1508
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:59,220
could be more intelligent than humans so

1509
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:01,080
we're not at that point yet but I argue

1510
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:03,420
in this article that we may not need to

1511
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:05,970
even be at that point like the AI

1512
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:08,190
doesn't actually have to be smarter than

1513
01:12:13,340 --> 01:12:10,440
humans in order for some type of

1514
01:12:16,810 --> 01:12:13,350
catastrophe to take place so we already

1515
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:16,820
have killer AI in Texas the other day a

1516
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:19,410
self-driving car ran over a pedestrian

1517
01:12:24,230 --> 01:12:21,630
and killed him right so you can have

1518
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:24,240
dumb AI that's killing people as well as

1519
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:27,750
smart AI and you know I sometimes use

1520
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:30,570
the analogy that one of my spiritual

1521
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,670
teacher said to me if you wanna if

1522
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:34,560
you're having a sparring match with the

1523
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:37,020
first level black belt or like a fifth

1524
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:37,920
level black belt

1525
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,690
you'd rather be fighting the fifth level

1526
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:41,280
black belt and I said well why is that

1527
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,460
and he says well because he has he or

1528
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,080
she has more control and they won't hurt

1529
01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:47,760
you whereas the guy who just became a

1530
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:49,350
black belt may have a lot of power but

1531
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:50,850
he may not have as much control and he

1532
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:53,010
may end up hurting you by mistake the

1533
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,560
same could happen with AI it doesn't

1534
01:12:59,090 --> 01:12:57,360
have to be way more intelligent than us

1535
01:13:01,970 --> 01:12:59,100
in fact if it has a set of values that

1536
01:13:03,860 --> 01:13:01,980
tell it it needs to kill humans you know

1537
01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:03,870
it the smarter AI might figure out

1538
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,790
that's not the best thing to do but the

1539
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:08,100
AI which is smart not talking about dumb

1540
01:13:13,190 --> 01:13:10,650
AI but maybe of equal intelligence or

1541
01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:13,200
even close to equal intelligence you

1542
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:15,180
know they could still win in a physical

1543
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:18,150
fight by taking over different weapons

1544
01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:20,370
systems etc so we may never we may not

1545
01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:22,830
even need to reach the singularity in in

1546
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:26,160
my opinion for this scenario to happen

1547
01:13:31,220 --> 01:13:28,380
it just depends on you know how the AI

1548
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:31,230
is programmed and what its goals and its

1549
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:32,640
values are and its goals may be

1550
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:34,980
different than ours so you lay it out in

1551
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,890
the article

1552
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:39,360
you talk about the science fiction

1553
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,460
aspect of it all science fiction is a

1554
01:13:45,620 --> 01:13:43,320
prediction of our future and a lot of it

1555
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,630
has come to pass we don't need to list

1556
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:47,280
all of those things here now but we

1557
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:49,650
understand that certainly but you lay

1558
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:52,020
out the scenario really well just like

1559
01:14:02,450 --> 01:13:55,290
we've done here but then you get to the

1560
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:02,460
four gates of killer AI and so I want to

1561
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:06,570
break these down and let's start let's

1562
01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:08,610
just go right into it let's start with

1563
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:13,470
gate one ai and mi which is general

1564
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:18,390
purpose and not a specific right so yeah

1565
01:14:23,420 --> 01:14:20,820
so these gates are meant to be gates

1566
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,430
that if we unlock them with our

1567
01:14:27,740 --> 01:14:25,920
technology that's when we should start

1568
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:27,750
to be worried right so people might ask

1569
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:29,670
okay when could this happen it's not

1570
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:31,650
going to happen today but these four

1571
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:36,110
gates I think are sort of necessary

1572
01:14:41,050 --> 01:14:39,030
precursors to having this nightmare

1573
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:41,060
scenario now there are lots of other AI

1574
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:43,260
aspects that might be beneficial to us

1575
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:44,730
but this is what we need to worry about

1576
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:48,090
so the first gate is that says that you

1577
01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:49,530
know we need to have AI that's a little

1578
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:53,640
more general whereas today the AI and

1579
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:56,100
the ML is very specific so I talked

1580
01:15:02,510 --> 01:14:58,530
earlier about training or machine

1581
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,520
learning and so you know we can train a

1582
01:15:08,570 --> 01:15:05,840
computer system today to be good at

1583
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:08,580
handwriting or to be good at recognizing

1584
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:11,940
you know radiology from x-rays it could

1585
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:14,850
recognize faces in a crowd right so

1586
01:15:19,730 --> 01:15:16,140
there are so many different things that

1587
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:19,740
AI can do but it's still very specific

1588
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:21,810
to that task it has to be trained on

1589
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:24,330
that task I mean going back to science

1590
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:26,910
fiction you know if you think of for

1591
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:29,130
example in Star Trek The Next Generation

1592
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:31,800
right they have the Android data he was

1593
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:33,960
a general-purpose a he could learn new

1594
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:37,110
things on his own he wasn't just trained

1595
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:40,050
on very specific tasks now we could

1596
01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:42,570
approximate that today we could go and

1597
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:45,630
say okay let's have one machine learning

1598
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:47,460
thing that tells you which task to do

1599
01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:49,170
and then you go to the more specific

1600
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:50,300
task

1601
01:15:54,460 --> 01:15:51,800
but even that's not enough this is where

1602
01:15:55,930 --> 01:15:54,470
I think we need a third wave of AI to

1603
01:15:58,570 --> 01:15:55,940
get to this this thing that's called a

1604
01:15:59,890 --> 01:15:58,580
you know a GI artificial or artificial

1605
01:16:02,410 --> 01:15:59,900
general intelligence or generalized

1606
01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:02,420
artificial intelligence and we're not

1607
01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:06,070
there yet but we are at the point where

1608
01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:09,190
machines can learn on their own

1609
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:10,940
unsupervised

1610
01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:12,650
so I've so far I've talked about

1611
01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:14,300
training it with datasets that humans

1612
01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:17,780
have already classified so it can tell

1613
01:16:23,050 --> 01:16:20,600
if it's right or wrong there's a great

1614
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:23,060
example where AI is being used to play

1615
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,190
games and we know that you know many

1616
01:16:31,210 --> 01:16:26,960
years ago was a deep-blue I think one of

1617
01:16:34,930 --> 01:16:31,220
the MIT sorry the IBM a eyes beats the

1618
01:16:36,820 --> 01:16:34,940
human champion in chess well later they

1619
01:16:38,650 --> 01:16:36,830
were wondering if it could play the game

1620
01:16:40,030 --> 01:16:38,660
go now I'm not a player of go I don't

1621
01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:40,040
know if you are but it's more complex

1622
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,630
than chess and has a lot of rules and

1623
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:44,000
what happened was they told the AI the

1624
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:47,090
rules of the game go and then they just

1625
01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:49,550
let it play against itself so it

1626
01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:52,160
actually figured out what the best

1627
01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:55,070
strategies were based upon you know who

1628
01:17:00,370 --> 01:16:58,070
won a or B and a and B were the same AI

1629
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:00,380
in this case and so it actually got good

1630
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:02,360
enough to beat the best human players

1631
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:05,030
that go and so now we're seeing that

1632
01:17:09,790 --> 01:17:07,090
machines can learn on their own

1633
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,800
unsupervised who are entering kind of a

1634
01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:12,560
new area but still that was for that

1635
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:14,390
task of playing go you could see a

1636
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,330
generalized maybe two other games the

1637
01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:19,520
autonomous cars will talk about

1638
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:21,320
autonomous drones in a minute but anima

1639
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:23,930
scars you know know the rules of the

1640
01:17:29,710 --> 01:17:27,140
road so that's the rule based and then

1641
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:29,720
we feed it a lot of data which are the

1642
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:31,970
signs and this is a person and this is

1643
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:33,530
what you're supposed to do and you know

1644
01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:35,270
one of the problems that that Google had

1645
01:17:38,710 --> 01:17:36,860
like with their autonomous cars you know

1646
01:17:40,570 --> 01:17:38,720
I live in Mountain View right right down

1647
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,580
the road from Google so we used to see

1648
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:42,800
their autonomous cars years ago like

1649
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:44,750
back in like 2007 when I first moved

1650
01:17:49,150 --> 01:17:46,970
there it was that it would stop at the

1651
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:49,160
stoplight and it would wait for humans

1652
01:17:52,810 --> 01:17:51,410
to stop but the humans never stopped

1653
01:17:55,150 --> 01:17:52,820
they just kind of came to a rolling

1654
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:55,160
thing so the car the autonomous car just

1655
01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:56,690
sat there because the humans never

1656
01:18:02,230 --> 01:17:59,750
stopped at a four-way stop so you know

1657
01:18:04,210 --> 01:18:02,240
the rules is the first step

1658
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:04,220
data is the second step

1659
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,110
there's this fuzziness of how things

1660
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:07,760
happen in the real world and so we're

1661
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:10,610
still a ways away from unlocking this

1662
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:15,770
gate I think and the the the question

1663
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:19,000
that I think should be addressed is

1664
01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:25,850
should we not allow machine learning in

1665
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:30,200
the aspect of we we throw the code in it

1666
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:32,360
you know it's done it's perfected and

1667
01:18:39,670 --> 01:18:34,730
they can do their task but there's no

1668
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:39,680
like Ram there's no there's no ability

1669
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:43,250
to you could only read but you can't

1670
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:46,790
write and you can't solve problems

1671
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:49,010
you're only dealing with and the code

1672
01:18:56,410 --> 01:18:52,370
could be very complex but the code only

1673
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:56,420
reads it would that be an answer well

1674
01:19:03,160 --> 01:18:58,930
that's an initial answer right and so

1675
01:19:05,230 --> 01:19:03,170
today you know most of the time the code

1676
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:05,240
is written actually there are general

1677
01:19:09,780 --> 01:19:07,970
algorithms right like the IBM Watson but

1678
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,790
then they're applied and trained on

1679
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:12,320
specific datasets and they run on

1680
01:19:17,950 --> 01:19:16,400
specific computers but there's a there's

1681
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:17,960
an interesting book on this by an MIT

1682
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,330
professor named Max tegmark called

1683
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:22,400
life's 3.0 and he lays out a scenario

1684
01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:23,930
where a company developed this

1685
01:19:28,990 --> 01:19:26,180
general-purpose AI and they ran it only

1686
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:29,000
on virtual machines right and so virtual

1687
01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:32,570
machine is like for example you know I

1688
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:35,720
have a Mac here but I could run Windows

1689
01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:38,450
on a virtual machine inside my Mac so it

1690
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:41,720
becomes like a bounded virtual machine

1691
01:19:47,370 --> 01:19:45,050
so if it's running in there it can't

1692
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:47,380
necessarily affect my Hardware directly

1693
01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:50,210
because it's limited it's not running on

1694
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:51,860
an actual physical processor it's

1695
01:19:55,690 --> 01:19:53,690
running on code on top of the processor

1696
01:19:58,930 --> 01:19:55,700
that's right and so there are ways to do

1697
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,940
that initially but over time you know as

1698
01:20:02,710 --> 01:20:00,560
the virtual machines get more

1699
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:02,720
sophisticated and there are ways for

1700
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:04,370
virtual machines to talk to each other

1701
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:06,950
you know that becomes a little more

1702
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:10,010
tenuous I think in the beginning yes but

1703
01:20:14,020 --> 01:20:12,530
over time depends on how many of those

1704
01:20:16,330 --> 01:20:14,030
virtual machines are out there and how

1705
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:16,340
sophisticated they are and as we start

1706
01:20:21,149 --> 01:20:18,380
talking about IOT this is why

1707
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:21,159
the equation isn't just AI equal sky now

1708
01:20:27,339 --> 01:20:24,760
it's these other pieces that actually

1709
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:27,349
make a big difference because if the

1710
01:20:31,180 --> 01:20:28,730
virtual machines are running on these

1711
01:20:33,310 --> 01:20:31,190
IOT s well they have to be able to

1712
01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:33,320
impact the hardware somehow right you

1713
01:20:38,740 --> 01:20:36,260
can't isolate them completely and if

1714
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:38,750
code can run on these IOT s then you've

1715
01:20:42,010 --> 01:20:41,570
got the possibility for bad things to

1716
01:20:44,290 --> 01:20:42,020
happen

1717
01:20:48,069 --> 01:20:44,300
yeah well address this after we're done

1718
01:20:49,899 --> 01:20:48,079
all of these because you're right not

1719
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:49,909
only should there be an off switch and

1720
01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:52,250
we'll discuss this further but maybe a

1721
01:20:56,859 --> 01:20:55,190
total disconnect from the IOT could be

1722
01:21:00,280 --> 01:20:56,869
an answer too as well it could still

1723
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:00,290
learn but not you know remove its you

1724
01:21:05,770 --> 01:21:03,710
know remove its antenna if you will but

1725
01:21:10,089 --> 01:21:05,780
then we have the the other part of this

1726
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:10,099
is where you have you know the Machine

1727
01:21:15,010 --> 01:21:12,710
side but you have the AI side and if the

1728
01:21:17,109 --> 01:21:15,020
two of them are working together then

1729
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,119
they could possibly figure out how to

1730
01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:19,760
how to get the workarounds how to work

1731
01:21:23,979 --> 01:21:22,670
around humans right and that's where you

1732
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:23,989
know the more intelligent the AI is

1733
01:21:28,689 --> 01:21:26,719
that's where it configured that kind of

1734
01:21:32,620 --> 01:21:28,699
thing out which is because every

1735
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:32,630
computer in a sense has a base level of

1736
01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:35,270
codes usually called assembly code you

1737
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:38,360
know right at the microchip level and so

1738
01:21:41,589 --> 01:21:40,250
if the AI becomes smart enough it can

1739
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:41,599
figure out that it's pointing in a

1740
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:44,719
virtual machine and then it can figure

1741
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:48,650
out how to access the assembly code at

1742
01:21:56,979 --> 01:21:51,010
which point it can do whatever it wants

1743
01:22:00,990 --> 01:21:56,989
that's the scary part because Maday not

1744
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:01,000
the day after the second the nanosecond

1745
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:04,810
after singularity is achieved right the

1746
01:22:14,649 --> 01:22:06,290
nanosecond

1747
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:14,659
ability to learn now runs 24th it

1748
01:22:22,450 --> 01:22:21,170
doesn't have to sleep right and some

1749
01:22:24,220 --> 01:22:22,460
people call like an intelligence

1750
01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:24,230
explosion so people in the field say

1751
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:26,360
that at the minute it gets to the

1752
01:22:32,109 --> 01:22:29,690
singularity it then redesigns itself and

1753
01:22:33,580 --> 01:22:32,119
starts designing other physical robot

1754
01:22:35,919 --> 01:22:33,590
it's based on hardware that it can

1755
01:22:37,959 --> 01:22:35,929
control right and it does it very

1756
01:22:39,489 --> 01:22:37,969
quickly like you said I mean again going

1757
01:22:40,989 --> 01:22:39,499
back to science-fiction right with the

1758
01:22:43,089 --> 01:22:40,999
Terminator the famous line was it

1759
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,099
doesn't eat it doesn't sleep that's what

1760
01:22:48,189 --> 01:22:45,679
it does that's all it does right right

1761
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,199
and so you know that that nanosecond

1762
01:22:55,869 --> 01:22:51,199
after the singularity when all bets are

1763
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:55,879
off not not a couple of years later but

1764
01:23:03,969 --> 01:22:59,360
a week later you would have a very bad

1765
01:23:09,489 --> 01:23:03,979
problem on your hands a planet a planet

1766
01:23:11,589 --> 01:23:09,499
full of super smart Einsteins right that

1767
01:23:13,779 --> 01:23:11,599
don't care about you and they don't need

1768
01:23:17,529 --> 01:23:13,789
food that's a scary thought let's get to

1769
01:23:19,029 --> 01:23:17,539
gate number two we'll set up will pick

1770
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:19,039
up on gate number two after the break

1771
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:20,510
we've got a couple of minutes here but

1772
01:23:26,409 --> 01:23:23,329
gate number two a I which can easily

1773
01:23:29,529 --> 01:23:26,419
interface with the physical world take

1774
01:23:31,179 --> 01:23:29,539
us through that right so this is you

1775
01:23:34,509 --> 01:23:31,189
know an important gate and this is one

1776
01:23:36,189 --> 01:23:34,519
that has two parts the first is AI which

1777
01:23:38,409 --> 01:23:36,199
can interface with a physical world and

1778
01:23:40,899 --> 01:23:38,419
the second is when it can interface with

1779
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:40,909
weapons right that's when we start to

1780
01:23:45,369 --> 01:23:42,649
become worried I mentioned the x-files

1781
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:45,379
episode earlier right where all the

1782
01:23:51,009 --> 01:23:47,409
different machines were or misbehaving

1783
01:23:53,770 --> 01:23:51,019
today we we have some AI that's

1784
01:23:56,679 --> 01:23:53,780
interacting with the physical world we

1785
01:23:58,270 --> 01:23:56,689
have autonomous cars as a perfect

1786
01:24:00,909 --> 01:23:58,280
example this is why I keep bringing them

1787
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:00,919
up because the algorithms for autonomous

1788
01:24:06,879 --> 01:24:03,050
cars are now being applied to autonomous

1789
01:24:09,369 --> 01:24:06,889
drones and autonomous planes and whence

1790
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:09,379
you once you have those you're in a very

1791
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,110
different place once you have AI

1792
01:24:17,469 --> 01:24:14,719
deciding what the drone should do then

1793
01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:17,479
it's really you know not that far of a

1794
01:24:24,189 --> 01:24:21,289
leap for it to be able to actually fire

1795
01:24:26,169 --> 01:24:24,199
those weapons so you know today I

1796
01:24:29,409 --> 01:24:26,179
mentioned the drones earlier that that

1797
01:24:31,029 --> 01:24:29,419
the military uses well who's controlling

1798
01:24:33,759 --> 01:24:31,039
those drones well right now it could be

1799
01:24:35,739 --> 01:24:33,769
somebody at the CIA right who's looking

1800
01:24:37,869 --> 01:24:35,749
at a monitor and their computer with the

1801
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:37,879
joystick and they're controlling you

1802
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,590
know whether the drone should fire or

1803
01:24:44,259 --> 01:24:42,320
not or you've got some special forces in

1804
01:24:46,029 --> 01:24:44,269
the field that are either controlling

1805
01:24:48,819 --> 01:24:46,039
the drones from there or they're using

1806
01:24:52,779 --> 01:24:48,829
GPS signals to tell the drone exactly

1807
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:52,789
where to go so you know we've got both

1808
01:24:57,879 --> 01:24:55,130
AI that's interfacing with the physical

1809
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,889
world and we have objects like drones

1810
01:25:02,649 --> 01:25:00,320
which have weapons that are attached to

1811
01:25:04,540 --> 01:25:02,659
them now all in AI would have to do is

1812
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:04,550
intercept that signal right the signal

1813
01:25:09,939 --> 01:25:08,000
from the CIA to the drone and suddenly

1814
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:09,949
it has the ability to fire those on

1815
01:25:18,220 --> 01:25:14,570
whatever it decides you know is the

1816
01:25:19,839 --> 01:25:18,230
right target and you know was it I think

1817
01:25:23,319 --> 01:25:19,849
Vladimir Putin was saying that the

1818
01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:23,329
country that has the best AI you know

1819
01:25:27,549 --> 01:25:25,369
we'll basically control the world in the

1820
01:25:30,089 --> 01:25:27,559
future and that's really interesting

1821
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,099
which means that probably most

1822
01:25:35,410 --> 01:25:32,960
militaries at least the bigger ones are

1823
01:25:37,029 --> 01:25:35,420
already experimenting with autonomous

1824
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:37,039
weapons systems right

1825
01:25:41,009 --> 01:25:39,289
so that has gate number two gate number

1826
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:41,019
two I think is one of the first to being

1827
01:25:44,799 --> 01:25:43,190
opened actually gate number one's a

1828
01:25:46,299 --> 01:25:44,809
little bit harder because you have to

1829
01:25:49,419 --> 01:25:46,309
have general purpose AI but gate number

1830
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:49,429
two is not that hard and the IOT being

1831
01:25:55,839 --> 01:25:51,710
out there makes it much more possible

1832
01:25:57,310 --> 01:25:55,849
for this to happen and you know I also

1833
01:25:59,649 --> 01:25:57,320
have some pictures in the article of

1834
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,659
some of the Boston Dynamics robots which

1835
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,480
some of you may have seen videos of it

1836
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:04,880
looks like a dog it's got four legs but

1837
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:06,530
there are different versions with you

1838
01:26:09,609 --> 01:26:07,670
know we talked about you talked about

1839
01:26:12,189 --> 01:26:09,619
octopuses earlier right you could

1840
01:26:15,009 --> 01:26:12,199
imagine eight-legged versions that can

1841
01:26:17,169 --> 01:26:15,019
basically you know traverse any kind of

1842
01:26:19,779 --> 01:26:17,179
terrain and and if you watch the videos

1843
01:26:21,069 --> 01:26:19,789
for this the big dog you see it kind of

1844
01:26:23,259 --> 01:26:21,079
going up steps and going through

1845
01:26:24,609 --> 01:26:23,269
hallways and you can see videos where

1846
01:26:26,979 --> 01:26:24,619
it's kind of looking at what's in front

1847
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:26,989
of it and it's making decisions about

1848
01:26:32,799 --> 01:26:29,329
which direction to go or which direction

1849
01:26:36,459 --> 01:26:32,809
not to go did you see the episode of

1850
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:36,469
black mirror with those dogs you know

1851
01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:38,420
I've heard about it I haven't seen it

1852
01:26:46,569 --> 01:26:41,869
it's identical to the to the dynamics

1853
01:26:49,390 --> 01:26:46,579
dog is yellow but there's still the same

1854
01:26:52,919 --> 01:26:49,400
face the same front the same sensors and

1855
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:52,929
the same frightening capabilities there

1856
01:26:59,209 --> 01:26:56,900
but now I've got to take a break but

1857
01:27:02,600 --> 01:26:59,219
this is think about this

1858
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:02,610
if you are a bad guy out there in a

1859
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:04,170
military situation so let's say you're

1860
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,449
Isis Emir in you know some village and

1861
01:27:11,689 --> 01:27:09,840
you see some troops coming at you well

1862
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:11,699
you know that those are troops and you

1863
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:14,489
can shoot at the troops with your gun

1864
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:18,770
but imagine a hundred little drones

1865
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:21,770
coming at you with facial recognition

1866
01:27:25,670 --> 01:27:24,239
right that's right right and some of

1867
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:25,680
these draw and you know something I

1868
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:27,570
might make mistakes at times is yeah

1869
01:27:31,670 --> 01:27:29,250
there's nothing you can do that's when

1870
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you drop and run you just drop your gun

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and run but take that same scenario with

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that facial recognition in a crowd now

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you've got a bad actor in a crowd

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01:27:43,459 --> 01:27:41,790
they've identified somebody at a rock

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01:27:46,459 --> 01:27:43,469
concert that is going to attend a rock

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01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:46,469
concert and go and do something and and

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01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:49,860
take out the crowd you know take out one

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01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:51,930
single guy in a crowd with facial

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01:27:58,820 --> 01:27:55,560
recognition we are right on the edge of

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that being a possibility and if that

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goes into the wrong hands now we've got

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a really bad like you said if something

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wants to take over the system it

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certainly can and you could input any

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01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:13,560
photograph right that's right and you

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01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:15,210
know the future of assassination is

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01:28:20,900 --> 01:28:18,480
really going to be these drones you know

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that are out there killing people rather

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than snipers necessarily because they

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can go anywhere and you know you don't

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01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:28,110
have to put you don't have to have send

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01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:31,890
troops out specifically so the key is if

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the machine can make that decision or

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it's the human that has to make the

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decision right I mean there was a case

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where in the Soviet Union where the

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radar said there were five missiles

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coming from America and they were

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supposed to fire their nuclear rockets

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if missiles if that happened and there

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was an operator of the station who

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looked at it and he didn't believe that

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the US would fire only five five

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01:29:00,560 --> 01:28:59,070
missiles if it was going to do an actual

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01:29:02,660 --> 01:29:00,570
first strike and so he didn't tell his

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01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,670
superiors about it turned out it was a

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01:29:06,740 --> 01:29:04,400
mistake in the sensors and somehow

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01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:06,750
sunlight bouncing off certain things

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01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:08,370
actually made the radar I think there

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were five missiles coming from Alaska to

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the Soviet Union it was a good thing he

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had that human judgment

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and so if you don't have that human

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judgment in there you know the

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possibility for mistakes

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is is really high and we have to we have

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to constantly think about it in those

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terms because if it would have been AI

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making that decision you and I wouldn't

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be here on the radio right now this is

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fade to black and that's the truth

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stayed to black our guest tonight R is

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to faint and black

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Jamie Church on the game change in

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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church I guess Annette R is Burke

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01:33:49,250 --> 01:33:45,330
and we are talking about his article

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recently published at hacker noon we're

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gonna get it up there and on stellar

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here in just a second but it's called

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the road to killer AI ml plus blockchain

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01:34:05,150 --> 01:34:00,060
plus io t plus drones equals Skynet yeah

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Riz the next gate and we're gonna get

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through all of this because we have to

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go back and and and talk about all of

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01:34:12,860 --> 01:34:10,800
these implications and and continue to

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break this down it's fascinating the

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gate number three I've talked about so

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much and I'm glad that you pointed this

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out as probably being the most important

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gate number one which is the off switch

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we'll get to that in a second but how

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has the hacker noon community responded

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01:34:36,130 --> 01:34:34,230
to this article well you know it's

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gotten a lot of interesting responses

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01:34:43,940 --> 01:34:39,950
and I think there's a lot of enthusiasm

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01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:43,950
about AI right now in the kind of the

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01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:46,980
technical community but there have been

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01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:49,350
you know a lot of prominent folks you

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01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:51,090
know ranging from Stephen Hawking who

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01:34:54,890 --> 01:34:52,860
passed away recently tail on musk saying

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01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:54,900
that AI could be the biggest existential

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01:34:59,210 --> 01:34:57,330
threat so I think many people are aware

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01:35:00,860 --> 01:34:59,220
of it well you know what I tried to do

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01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:00,870
in this article is to say how do we get

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01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:03,420
there from here and not to provide a

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01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:06,390
road map but really to for us to see the

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01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:08,280
signposts along the way that might get

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01:35:12,230 --> 01:35:10,440
us to be worried so yeah I've had a lot

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01:35:14,060 --> 01:35:12,240
of a lot of good responses you know to

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01:35:17,780 --> 01:35:14,070
the article well you know the hackers

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out there of all forms and developers

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01:35:23,420 --> 01:35:20,940
and coders and and that community they

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01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:23,430
they discuss these implications all the

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01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:26,070
time and certainly think about it but

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getting it out there globally to discuss

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this as something that it really needs

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01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:33,750
to be addressed and I and I don't think

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that it is talked about enough and and

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01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,620
as long as it doesn't interfere with

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01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:39,840
somebody's life right now they tend to

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01:35:44,690 --> 01:35:41,850
ignore it and add that's a scary thought

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01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,700
for me and I think you know that's

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01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:47,400
generally true of technical people and

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01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:49,530
scientists right going back to

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01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,260
the development of the atomic bomb right

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I mean they were just focused yeah they

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01:35:58,730 --> 01:35:56,160
had the Manhattan Project they had that

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01:36:00,590 --> 01:35:58,740
place up in Los Alamos where for two

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01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:00,600
years you know the scientists were

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01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:03,090
focused and engineers on one thing which

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is how do we take the theory of atomic

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01:36:09,860 --> 01:36:07,380
fission and make a bomb and it wasn't

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until they actually you know had a

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working prototype which they exploded at

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01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:16,050
Trinity in New Mexico that they really

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01:36:20,630 --> 01:36:18,120
started to wonder about what they had

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01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:20,640
done right you have the famous line

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where Robert Oppenheimer who was the

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01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:25,110
head of the project you know remembered

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01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,850
from the bhagavad-gita it said I have

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01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,800
become death itself and suddenly he

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01:36:31,700 --> 01:36:30,000
started to have second thoughts about

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01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,710
what he'd been doing the good thing

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01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:33,360
about this topic is there's enough

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01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:36,090
people talking about it now that we may

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be able to head it off before it happens

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right because it is in the consciousness

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01:36:44,540 --> 01:36:42,810
now that this could actually happen the

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AI is getting sophisticated enough to

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get there so I've talked about this off

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switch and you point out here for gate

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number three that right now there isn't

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one yeah and actually before I get to

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that just with gate number two there's

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one other thing I wanted to bring up

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which is so as I said I'm pretty sure

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most militaries are already

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experimenting with autonomous weapons

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autonomous killing machines even if they

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haven't rolled it out because they're

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experimenting in a very specific way you

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know I also talked about how machines

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were machine learning was very specific

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tasks and they could beat humans at some

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01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:24,120
games well something happened recently

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and this is Elon Musk's open AI

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01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:28,650
initiative where they actually had the

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Machine play a video game

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01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:32,970
so now we're not talking about chess or

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physical games we're talking about a

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video game like dota 2 and I don't know

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01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:40,230
if any of your listeners know you know

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either dota 2 or counter-strike or

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League of Legends these are very popular

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01:37:49,310 --> 01:37:47,310
eSports games where people compete

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against each other by playing these

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video games and in these games you're

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you're like a wizard

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01:37:58,430 --> 01:37:56,130
you're like a sorcerer a thief a

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barbarian and you're trying to kill the

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other team of five oh and so turns out

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that AI

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can play

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those games as well if not better than

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humans because of the response time

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01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:09,489
right so they can have a response time

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01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:11,409
that we really can't have as humans and

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01:38:16,799 --> 01:38:13,270
so they were able to beat the best dota

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2 players so this is a case where an AI

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01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:18,940
a computer program is playing a video

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game which is a computer generated game

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with graphics on the strain it's looking

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at the graphics and it's using machine

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01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:28,659
vision to figure out okay this is a

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character this is a character this is a

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01:38:35,250 --> 01:38:33,250
background object and so we've talked

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about machine vision being used in the

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01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:37,300
real world by autonomous cars for

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01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:38,500
frigging out you know when they should

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01:38:41,879 --> 01:38:40,510
turn and when they should stop but this

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is interesting because it's machine

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vision in a computer program itself so

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01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:46,599
it's a computer-generated world and

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01:38:51,450 --> 01:38:48,369
they're very effective now anyone who's

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01:38:53,129 --> 01:38:51,460
seen counter-strike as a game of Counter

2123
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:53,139
Strike global Offensive you know you've

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01:38:57,330 --> 01:38:55,119
got these military guys in kind of an

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01:39:00,270 --> 01:38:57,340
Iraq like situation shooting at each

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01:39:02,490 --> 01:39:00,280
other well if the AI is able to direct

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01:39:04,140 --> 01:39:02,500
those virtual guns so well at and

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01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:04,150
recognize which are humans and which

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01:39:11,490 --> 01:39:08,500
aren't it's not a far leap for to look

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01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:11,500
at the images coming from drones or that

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01:39:15,029 --> 01:39:12,670
are in the battlefield and figure out

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01:39:16,379 --> 01:39:15,039
what our characters what our people what

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01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:16,389
our not and start shooting at them it's

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01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:17,860
the same kind of mechanic

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01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:20,289
so really gate number two is worrisome

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01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:23,110
because we're pretty much there we will

2137
01:39:28,740 --> 01:39:24,280
be within a few years

2138
01:39:30,299 --> 01:39:28,750
yeah dota 2 is cool by the way yeah it's

2139
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:30,309
a cool game but it's interesting that

2140
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:31,690
you know the machines can learn to play

2141
01:39:37,049 --> 01:39:34,570
it just by looking at the visuals and

2142
01:39:39,899 --> 01:39:37,059
now what's happening yes me and so are

2143
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:39,909
they when we're talking about this is

2144
01:39:45,029 --> 01:39:42,179
are they using the controller

2145
01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:45,039
electronically or is there a robot hand

2146
01:39:50,549 --> 01:39:48,520
controlling the controller I probably

2147
01:39:52,890 --> 01:39:50,559
they're they're not using a robot hand

2148
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,900
that right has software algorithm right

2149
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:55,119
yeah give like move the cursor around on

2150
01:39:59,700 --> 01:39:57,730
the screen right so you can kind of you

2151
01:40:01,140 --> 01:39:59,710
can take over the input midstream and

2152
01:40:02,250 --> 01:40:01,150
it's the same kind of thing that I

2153
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:02,260
talked about earlier where you have the

2154
01:40:06,419 --> 01:40:04,630
CIA analysts operating a drone with a

2155
01:40:08,729 --> 01:40:06,429
joystick sending a signal to the drone

2156
01:40:10,649 --> 01:40:08,739
they would just cut in the middle of

2157
01:40:11,879 --> 01:40:10,659
that and send the signal and not have to

2158
01:40:13,820 --> 01:40:11,889
worry about the physical yeah and

2159
01:40:17,780 --> 01:40:13,830
there's also the lag time

2160
01:40:20,150 --> 01:40:17,790
of engaging a button or moving you know

2161
01:40:23,780 --> 01:40:20,160
the joystick there's a lag time there

2162
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:23,790
and electronically that you're limited

2163
01:40:29,780 --> 01:40:26,250
to right but if you are making the

2164
01:40:32,570 --> 01:40:29,790
electronic connection that you're

2165
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:32,580
engaging the switch on or the button but

2166
01:40:36,770 --> 01:40:34,650
that is switched electronically in

2167
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:36,780
software there's no way you could beat

2168
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:38,730
the machine the machine would just kick

2169
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:47,730
your ass it would speed a light response

2170
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:53,130
time wow that's a crazy thought so ok so

2171
01:41:00,890 --> 01:40:54,780
yeah that's exactly right

2172
01:41:02,900 --> 01:41:00,900
and when DARPA right now addressing this

2173
01:41:08,660 --> 01:41:02,910
and then we'll move on to the off switch

2174
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:08,670
DARPA just released not too long ago one

2175
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:10,770
of their projects which is a missile

2176
01:41:19,730 --> 01:41:17,070
swarm right so you don't have what's you

2177
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:19,740
don't have one Tomahawk missile that's

2178
01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:22,290
intelligent no you have a hundred

2179
01:41:29,380 --> 01:41:25,620
smaller versions of it that just stay on

2180
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:29,390
theater and they wait for something to

2181
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:33,690
attack intelligently that there's a

2182
01:41:38,450 --> 01:41:35,580
hundred of them up there instead of one

2183
01:41:40,820 --> 01:41:38,460
big one and they just cruise around and

2184
01:41:42,710 --> 01:41:40,830
and wait that's a scary and that's

2185
01:41:45,980 --> 01:41:42,720
that's what they are working on right

2186
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:45,990
now and looking for deployment of this

2187
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:48,330
in 2020 and this is we're halfway

2188
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:52,650
through 20 years and when you've got

2189
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:55,340
swarms like that right that are all

2190
01:42:00,740 --> 01:41:59,010
attacking now you need an AI in response

2191
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:00,750
so what we're really talking about is an

2192
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,230
AI arms race in a way right so there's

2193
01:42:07,580 --> 01:42:06,000
the connection to the physical objects

2194
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:07,590
but then there's the response time of

2195
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:09,350
people controlling those objects and

2196
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:14,790
already you know on a lot of destroyer

2197
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:16,110
u.s. warships

2198
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:18,690
you know there are anti-missile systems

2199
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:20,850
that are scanning the radar and firing

2200
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:22,830
automatically but you still need some

2201
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:25,080
human approval but once you get to the

2202
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:26,370
point where you've got these swarms

2203
01:42:29,449 --> 01:42:27,659
attacking

2204
01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:29,459
you know the only thing that can respond

2205
01:42:33,709 --> 01:42:32,369
is AI so now the other side has to have

2206
01:42:35,899 --> 01:42:33,719
better AI and then you have to have

2207
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:35,909
better AI and then suddenly you're in an

2208
01:42:39,529 --> 01:42:38,130
arms race and that's where it becomes

2209
01:42:40,819 --> 01:42:39,539
scary I mean I think we're still a

2210
01:42:42,830 --> 01:42:40,829
little ways off from that but it's

2211
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:42,840
coming pretty soon yeah that's that's

2212
01:42:47,979 --> 01:42:45,300
the goal I mean that's the goal for for

2213
01:42:50,839 --> 01:42:47,989
for all of the big State players here

2214
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:50,849
okay let's discuss this off switch

2215
01:42:56,449 --> 01:42:54,449
ai doesn't have one today well depends

2216
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:56,459
on where the AI is and this is actually

2217
01:43:04,310 --> 01:42:59,880
I think one of the things that we can

2218
01:43:07,129 --> 01:43:04,320
probably control and you know the idea

2219
01:43:09,140 --> 01:43:07,139
is that if there's no off switch that's

2220
01:43:11,719 --> 01:43:09,150
when we have to worry about this

2221
01:43:13,819 --> 01:43:11,729
nightmare scenario that AI could take

2222
01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:13,829
over because if you just have one robot

2223
01:43:20,259 --> 01:43:17,400
that's really intelligent right we can

2224
01:43:24,919 --> 01:43:20,269
just destroy the robot with a missile

2225
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,929
and so but if it's not just one robot

2226
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,639
and the same thing with I mentioned data

2227
01:43:30,589 --> 01:43:28,400
in Star Trek The Next Generation

2228
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:30,599
intelligent Android well he had an off

2229
01:43:35,959 --> 01:43:34,110
switch and he actually let the Star Trek

2230
01:43:37,759 --> 01:43:35,969
crew Captain Picard anothers turned him

2231
01:43:40,279 --> 01:43:37,769
off from time to time it's a little

2232
01:43:42,649 --> 01:43:40,289
switch in the back of his head you know

2233
01:43:44,899 --> 01:43:42,659
it's not given that an intelligent robot

2234
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:44,909
would let us turn it off to begin with

2235
01:43:50,540 --> 01:43:47,880
but I think the bigger issue and and I

2236
01:43:54,589 --> 01:43:50,550
use a analogy again from Terminator 3

2237
01:43:57,529 --> 01:43:54,599
rise of the machines right where the the

2238
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:57,539
young John Connor breaks into this

2239
01:44:02,299 --> 01:44:00,239
military NORAD like base I think in

2240
01:44:03,979 --> 01:44:02,309
Cheyenne Mountain because they're trying

2241
01:44:06,919 --> 01:44:03,989
to turn off Skynet because they know

2242
01:44:09,949 --> 01:44:06,929
that this nightmare scenario is coming

2243
01:44:11,899 --> 01:44:09,959
and so they break in they're able to get

2244
01:44:13,419 --> 01:44:11,909
into the bunker and he wants to turn off

2245
01:44:16,609 --> 01:44:13,429
the computer and that's when he realizes

2246
01:44:19,129 --> 01:44:16,619
right that there is no central computer

2247
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:19,139
and direct quote is you know by the time

2248
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:21,209
Skynet became self-aware it had spread

2249
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:23,070
into millions of computer servers across

2250
01:44:26,689 --> 01:44:25,199
the planet ordinary computer rooms and

2251
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:26,699
office buildings dorm rooms everywhere

2252
01:44:31,419 --> 01:44:29,130
it was software in cyberspace there was

2253
01:44:35,419 --> 01:44:31,429
no system core it could not be shut down

2254
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:35,429
well that's happening today and that's

2255
01:44:39,429 --> 01:44:37,320
where blockchain and peer-to-peer

2256
01:44:41,550 --> 01:44:39,439
computing and IOT

2257
01:44:43,170 --> 01:44:41,560
really come into play

2258
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:43,180
the whole point of the blockchain is

2259
01:44:48,180 --> 01:44:45,430
that nobody can shut it down so you

2260
01:44:50,460 --> 01:44:48,190
can't just take one server offline you'd

2261
01:44:53,310 --> 01:44:50,470
have to take all of them offline which

2262
01:44:55,170 --> 01:44:53,320
is very difficult to do because now we

2263
01:44:57,090 --> 01:44:55,180
have servers running around the world

2264
01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:57,100
now you know I'm actually a proponent of

2265
01:45:00,180 --> 01:44:58,750
blockchain technology so I'm not saying

2266
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:00,190
that we shouldn't pursue that technology

2267
01:45:06,750 --> 01:45:02,650
I'm just saying that it gives us a

2268
01:45:08,850 --> 01:45:06,760
platform for where the code can run and

2269
01:45:11,130 --> 01:45:08,860
even when Terminator 3 came out the IOT

2270
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:11,140
was not such a big thing but you know

2271
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,480
another popular show is the show Silicon

2272
01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:15,280
Valley and HBO which I don't know if

2273
01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:16,900
you've seen that show or some of your

2274
01:45:21,210 --> 01:45:18,790
listeners may have all at the end of the

2275
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:21,220
last season they had like these servers

2276
01:45:24,330 --> 01:45:22,570
where they had a bunch of data and the

2277
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:24,340
servers were dying and they needed to

2278
01:45:27,930 --> 01:45:25,570
figure out what to do with the data and

2279
01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:27,940
the data got saved by being transmitted

2280
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:31,270
to 30,000 smart fridges so the data was

2281
01:45:36,420 --> 01:45:34,300
preserved across this network of little

2282
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:36,430
android-based devices that happened to

2283
01:45:40,590 --> 01:45:38,470
be running inside fridges now I don't

2284
01:45:43,710 --> 01:45:40,600
know how realistic that is today but

2285
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:43,720
eventually as IOT grows this is where

2286
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:46,000
blockchain comes in you can have the

2287
01:45:51,740 --> 01:45:49,030
same code running in lots of different

2288
01:45:54,980 --> 01:45:51,750
places and so how do you shut it down

2289
01:45:57,180 --> 01:45:54,990
and even if you shut it down

2290
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:57,190
who's to say you couldn't just take that

2291
01:46:01,680 --> 01:45:59,520
same code and start it up somewhere else

2292
01:46:03,900 --> 01:46:01,690
and you know one of the other science

2293
01:46:06,540 --> 01:46:03,910
fiction references I make you know early

2294
01:46:09,150 --> 01:46:06,550
early in the article is from the novel

2295
01:46:11,790 --> 01:46:09,160
dune by Frank Herbert which is a you

2296
01:46:13,890 --> 01:46:11,800
know very popular ecologically oriented

2297
01:46:15,980 --> 01:46:13,900
novel that takes place years like

2298
01:46:19,020 --> 01:46:15,990
thousands of years in the future maybe

2299
01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:19,030
10,000 or more years and in that world

2300
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:21,550
they don't have any computers they have

2301
01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:23,590
humans performing the calculations and

2302
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:25,630
stuff and as you read the novel or some

2303
01:46:28,980 --> 01:46:27,070
of you may have seen you know the movie

2304
01:46:30,690 --> 01:46:28,990
David Lynch had a version of it back in

2305
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:30,700
the 80s and sci-fi channel had another

2306
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,430
version but they realized that their

2307
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:35,920
Bible has a rule in there and the rule

2308
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:39,790
is thou shalt not make a machine in the

2309
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:43,330
image of the human mind and why is that

2310
01:46:48,510 --> 01:46:46,000
well it turns out in that world

2311
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:48,520
there was this intelligent supercomputer

2312
01:46:53,190 --> 01:46:51,070
that basically took over and enslaved

2313
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,200
all of humanity it's called Omni Eze and

2314
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:55,440
so eventually there was a

2315
01:46:59,479 --> 01:46:57,540
vault after many thousands of years and

2316
01:47:00,979 --> 01:46:59,489
the humans were able to crush it but

2317
01:47:03,610 --> 01:47:00,989
they didn't just have to crush one they

2318
01:47:07,070 --> 01:47:03,620
had to crush every single copy of

2319
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:07,080
omnious who's the the AI in this case

2320
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:09,449
and what they found was that you know

2321
01:47:14,180 --> 01:47:11,550
Omni Eze could spin back up a backed-up

2322
01:47:16,820 --> 01:47:14,190
version of itself so you might have like

2323
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:16,830
one AI that's very sophisticated let's

2324
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,449
say after the intelligence explosion

2325
01:47:23,180 --> 01:47:20,960
even if you're able to disable that

2326
01:47:25,610 --> 01:47:23,190
anybody can start running you know a

2327
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:25,620
backup version of that and it won't have

2328
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,170
had the same experiences because it may

2329
01:47:32,689 --> 01:47:30,000
be an older version kind of like a you

2330
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:32,699
know Microsoft Word 3.0 right versus a

2331
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:35,520
10 dot o-- version but it still has the

2332
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:37,320
basic code there that can then then

2333
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:39,900
learn and so that's where I think these

2334
01:47:44,510 --> 01:47:42,449
other buzzwords in the equation are

2335
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:44,520
actually kind of important because they

2336
01:47:50,300 --> 01:47:48,090
would enable software to run without an

2337
01:47:53,979 --> 01:47:50,310
off switch and short of destroying all

2338
01:47:56,660 --> 01:47:53,989
the computers and all of the devices and

2339
01:48:00,200 --> 01:47:56,670
getting rid of electricity right there

2340
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:00,210
would be no way to turn off yeah and

2341
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:02,010
that's why some people say that you know

2342
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:03,840
when if you reach the singularity that's

2343
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:05,940
the last algorithm because after that

2344
01:48:12,020 --> 01:48:08,489
that out will improve itself and could

2345
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:12,030
potentially take over yeah be worthless

2346
01:48:21,020 --> 01:48:17,040
and the second the the plank second

2347
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:21,030
after singularity the off switch has

2348
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:23,370
already been thought about and and

2349
01:48:26,510 --> 01:48:25,320
they've got a workaround so you go and

2350
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:26,520
you flip the off switch

2351
01:48:30,620 --> 01:48:28,530
oh man that's out of control right and

2352
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:30,630
you flip the off switch but they've

2353
01:48:37,660 --> 01:48:34,110
already you know AI is as new that you

2354
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:37,670
were going to do that right

2355
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:43,320
participation game theory out what the

2356
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:45,090
possible moves are that's right

2357
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:47,010
try to block them just like it does in

2358
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:51,570
chess that's right because what is you

2359
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,330
know the simplest thing that humans

2360
01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:56,880
would think of the you know think of

2361
01:49:03,020 --> 01:48:59,820
first is the off switch and that to a

2362
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:03,030
sophisticated AI is like you know this

2363
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:04,290
is the first thing that they're gonna

2364
01:49:10,620 --> 01:49:08,080
think of and so the off switch

2365
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:10,630
what I'm saying right and so short of an

2366
01:49:14,250 --> 01:49:12,640
electromagnetic pulse right you've

2367
01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:14,260
probably heard of those where somebody

2368
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:15,820
detonates a nuclear weapon and it takes

2369
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:17,890
out all the electricity in a certain

2370
01:49:24,210 --> 01:49:20,770
area it would be hard and this is where

2371
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,220
today so today's blockchain ron's code

2372
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:26,320
in a very limited virtual environment

2373
01:49:30,270 --> 01:49:27,280
kind of like you were talking about

2374
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:30,280
earlier Jimmy where the code can't

2375
01:49:34,290 --> 01:49:32,050
interact with other things it's just

2376
01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:34,300
running you know within this smart

2377
01:49:39,930 --> 01:49:37,150
contract in this virtual machine so

2378
01:49:41,250 --> 01:49:39,940
we're not quite there but eventually you

2379
01:49:42,990 --> 01:49:41,260
can see it as those virtual machines

2380
01:49:45,570 --> 01:49:43,000
become more sophisticated they will

2381
01:49:47,820 --> 01:49:45,580
allow connections to the Internet not

2382
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:47,830
just for keeping track of transactions

2383
01:49:52,650 --> 01:49:50,110
but writing really any code so as these

2384
01:49:55,380 --> 01:49:52,660
smart contracts become smarter you know

2385
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,390
that's where we you know blog could see

2386
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:57,760
blockchain playing a role because the

2387
01:50:01,920 --> 01:49:59,920
whole idea of la chaîne is you have

2388
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:01,930
multiple copies everywhere all running

2389
01:50:05,850 --> 01:50:03,730
the same code which means it's all

2390
01:50:09,150 --> 01:50:05,860
coming to the same conclusion right or

2391
01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:09,160
or the idea of the blockchain it doesn't

2392
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:10,600
even have to be the blockchain and since

2393
01:50:16,590 --> 01:50:13,600
the idea the you know what I mean the

2394
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:16,600
idea of the blockchain and how it is

2395
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:17,890
applied it wouldn't have to be

2396
01:50:26,460 --> 01:50:21,970
blockchain but now it which takes us

2397
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:26,470
right into very smooth segue into gate

2398
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:29,410
number four which is AI which is

2399
01:50:34,230 --> 01:50:32,770
self-aware and prioritizes survival

2400
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:34,240
because that's exactly what we're

2401
01:50:39,090 --> 01:50:37,570
talking about here yeah and so even if

2402
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:39,100
the other gates are opened you know

2403
01:50:45,210 --> 01:50:42,490
unless this gate unless the technology

2404
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:45,220
is invented for this gate to open we

2405
01:50:49,890 --> 01:50:46,480
probably don't have to worry about a

2406
01:50:52,860 --> 01:50:49,900
Skynet type scenario but the problem is

2407
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:52,870
just like in that quote I gave you from

2408
01:50:58,530 --> 01:50:55,690
the terminators once it's self-aware it

2409
01:51:00,240 --> 01:50:58,540
may be too late at that point because of

2410
01:51:03,150 --> 01:51:00,250
the speed at which it does things now

2411
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:03,160
the problem is we don't know how to

2412
01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:06,970
define exactly what that means right

2413
01:51:11,970 --> 01:51:10,180
what is a self-aware machine I mentioned

2414
01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:11,980
alan turing earlier who's one of the

2415
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:13,780
pioneers of computer science and he

2416
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:15,250
defined something called the Turing test

2417
01:51:20,910 --> 01:51:18,430
which was that you would interact with a

2418
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:20,920
machine say he was it was in another

2419
01:51:23,210 --> 01:51:21,480
room

2420
01:51:25,700 --> 01:51:23,220
or it was on a screen like we might have

2421
01:51:28,460 --> 01:51:25,710
today and you would talk to that machine

2422
01:51:30,740 --> 01:51:28,470
and it would give you responses and if

2423
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:30,750
you couldn't tell the difference between

2424
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:34,110
a human and a machine in that case then

2425
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:35,790
that machine would pass the Turing test

2426
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:38,010
and we're not quite there yet I mean

2427
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:39,480
you've got these chat BOTS but you can

2428
01:51:42,860 --> 01:51:41,489
kind of tell if you try to chat with

2429
01:51:44,780 --> 01:51:42,870
them you can kind of tell it's a bot

2430
01:51:47,540 --> 01:51:44,790
because they don't react the way that a

2431
01:51:50,630 --> 01:51:47,550
human would react now that that you

2432
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,640
would be able to detect it but there are

2433
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,560
millions out there right now that are

2434
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:54,480
fighting with chat BOTS right now they

2435
01:51:57,650 --> 01:51:56,250
don't have a clue well that's true and

2436
01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:57,660
they're becoming more sophisticated I

2437
01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:59,010
mean I can usually see the patterns

2438
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,170
right it didn't quite respond to the

2439
01:52:06,410 --> 01:52:03,360
question that I asked or it just zeroed

2440
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:06,420
in on a specific word and tried to ask

2441
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:08,340
me and there was an old probably one of

2442
01:52:13,070 --> 01:52:11,730
the first examples of this was a program

2443
01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:13,080
called Eliza I don't know if you ever

2444
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:16,440
taught that sure way back in the 80s or

2445
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,780
maybe even 70s where it would basically

2446
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:20,880
act like a psychiatrist right and you

2447
01:52:24,260 --> 01:52:22,770
would say something like oh I had a

2448
01:52:27,110 --> 01:52:24,270
really bad today at work and it would

2449
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:27,120
reply tell me more about your work right

2450
01:52:31,850 --> 01:52:30,000
so icky off of a specific phrase and

2451
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:31,860
then it would ask you a question and

2452
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:33,480
then you would say oh I did this and I

2453
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:36,210
did that and it might say how did that

2454
01:52:41,180 --> 01:52:38,610
make you feel right so it was a set of

2455
01:52:42,860 --> 01:52:41,190
pre-programmed responses because you

2456
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:42,870
know natural language processing wasn't

2457
01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:45,570
very sophisticated back then and a lot

2458
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:47,310
of a lot of these areas have their

2459
01:52:52,670 --> 01:52:50,130
origin in in video games you know video

2460
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:52,680
games needed to invent NPCs or

2461
01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:55,530
non-player or characters right and so

2462
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:57,000
they're like chat BOTS and they're

2463
01:53:00,830 --> 01:52:58,320
starting to become more and more

2464
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:00,840
sophisticated over time the first AI

2465
01:53:07,130 --> 01:53:03,690
that was implemented by anybody not many

2466
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,140
people know this but it was a computer

2467
01:53:12,620 --> 01:53:10,080
built by Professor Claude Shannon at MIT

2468
01:53:14,270 --> 01:53:12,630
in the 50s and what did it do it played

2469
01:53:16,190 --> 01:53:14,280
chess right and so that was the first

2470
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:16,200
and it was a physical machine and it

2471
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:17,850
would tell you what moved to make and

2472
01:53:20,660 --> 01:53:19,050
you would actually have to make the move

2473
01:53:23,150 --> 01:53:20,670
on the chess board right and then you

2474
01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:23,160
would program in that you know the other

2475
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:24,450
move move and then it would figure out

2476
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:26,520
what to do next so this idea of game

2477
01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:29,010
theory is is is is quite quite relevant

2478
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:31,469
and quite interesting so natural

2479
01:53:35,299 --> 01:53:33,290
language processing has come a long way

2480
01:53:37,579 --> 01:53:35,309
where's back then it would

2481
01:53:39,859 --> 01:53:37,589
use rules you know now it does a lot of

2482
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,869
statistical analysis of words and looks

2483
01:53:43,609 --> 01:53:41,760
at previous responses and what previous

2484
01:53:45,799 --> 01:53:43,619
people have said and so you know the

2485
01:53:49,369 --> 01:53:45,809
Turing test you know the time is coming

2486
01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:49,379
probably not that far off where I can

2487
01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:52,260
pass the Turing test now but does that

2488
01:53:57,949 --> 01:53:56,489
mean that the AI is self-aware not

2489
01:54:01,939 --> 01:53:57,959
really so I think we need to come up

2490
01:54:05,839 --> 01:54:01,949
with a new test right like the Turing

2491
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:05,849
test that would say that this AI is

2492
01:54:12,169 --> 01:54:07,739
self-aware I use the example in the

2493
01:54:13,250 --> 01:54:12,179
article of Hal or the Hal 9000 from 2001

2494
01:54:15,529 --> 01:54:13,260
and I'm using a lot of science fiction

2495
01:54:17,719 --> 01:54:15,539
because you know most of these concepts

2496
01:54:19,759 --> 01:54:17,729
are dealing with the future and turns

2497
01:54:22,309 --> 01:54:19,769
out science fiction writers are pretty

2498
01:54:23,629 --> 01:54:22,319
good at that and anticipating you know

2499
01:54:28,089 --> 01:54:23,639
some of the things even when they sound

2500
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,099
odd at the time you know there was a

2501
01:54:34,009 --> 01:54:30,719
royal astronomer for example who read

2502
01:54:35,929 --> 01:54:34,019
you know Jules Verne's you know journey

2503
01:54:37,639 --> 01:54:35,939
to the moon or whatever that was called

2504
01:54:38,689 --> 01:54:37,649
and said that's hogwash there's no way

2505
01:54:40,819 --> 01:54:38,699
we'll ever be able to get to the moon

2506
01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:40,829
because if you add up all the the fuel

2507
01:54:43,909 --> 01:54:42,119
that was needed you couldn't get there

2508
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:43,919
right so even scientists aren't very

2509
01:54:47,929 --> 01:54:46,169
good at saying what whether science

2510
01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:47,939
fiction can become real or not in the

2511
01:54:51,649 --> 01:54:48,510
future

2512
01:54:55,219 --> 01:54:51,659
is what I found I somebody just posted

2513
01:54:58,659 --> 01:54:55,229
it it's been up here a few times now you

2514
01:55:02,270 --> 01:54:58,669
know Sophia you know the robot and

2515
01:55:05,209 --> 01:55:02,280
Philip just said I think Sophia could

2516
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:05,219
pass the Turing test also that was in

2517
01:55:13,069 --> 01:55:08,719
the last episodes of this season of

2518
01:55:15,229 --> 01:55:13,079
Silicon Valley by the way so do you do

2519
01:55:18,770 --> 01:55:15,239
next yeah do you think Sophia could pass

2520
01:55:20,029 --> 01:55:18,780
the Turing test I think it's it's

2521
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:20,039
getting there I mean I haven't

2522
01:55:25,399 --> 01:55:23,129
interacted with Sophia enough to say

2523
01:55:28,279 --> 01:55:25,409
whether it's gonna pass the Turing test

2524
01:55:31,069 --> 01:55:28,289
but I think you know we're getting close

2525
01:55:34,069 --> 01:55:31,079
I mean I've seen other I mean you've

2526
01:55:36,189 --> 01:55:34,079
seen like robots like or AI like Alexa

2527
01:55:37,939 --> 01:55:36,199
but that's you know not very

2528
01:55:40,069 --> 01:55:37,949
conversational it's really just trying

2529
01:55:41,419 --> 01:55:40,079
to figure out what you're asking and it

2530
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:41,429
doesn't go that far but I've seen some

2531
01:55:47,299 --> 01:55:44,010
research at the MIT Media Lab you know

2532
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,309
where they spun off I think is Jibo Oh

2533
01:55:50,450 --> 01:55:48,960
was the robot

2534
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:50,460
but I think the natural language

2535
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:52,410
processing is getting there I mean I

2536
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:54,000
have an interactive Sofia to tell you

2537
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:55,350
whether I could pass the Turing test yet

2538
01:56:01,850 --> 01:55:58,440
but it's probably not that far off

2539
01:56:05,420 --> 01:56:01,860
did Boston Dynamics came out of MIT

2540
01:56:07,370 --> 01:56:05,430
right I believe so

2541
01:56:09,530 --> 01:56:07,380
I don't recall exactly which group they

2542
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:09,540
were in but and then Google bought them

2543
01:56:12,530 --> 01:56:11,970
for awhile right and then Google sold

2544
01:56:18,170 --> 01:56:12,540
them

2545
01:56:19,820 --> 01:56:18,180
now did you just say wait wait wait I

2546
01:56:22,220 --> 01:56:19,830
got to pump the brakes here did you say

2547
01:56:25,610 --> 01:56:22,230
you haven't interacted with Sophia

2548
01:56:26,330 --> 01:56:25,620
enough to tell I have you interacted

2549
01:56:31,970 --> 01:56:26,340
with Sophia

2550
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:31,980
I haven't on whether it's close to the

2551
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:33,330
Turing test or not I just know what

2552
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:35,850
other people have said about it okay now

2553
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:37,920
we're gonna take a break and when we

2554
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:40,560
come back we're gonna put all of this

2555
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:41,760
together and talk about these

2556
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:44,070
implications and where we really are

2557
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:48,450
today I do agree with you when we look

2558
01:56:54,230 --> 01:56:52,320
at a Heinlein or arthur c clarke or any

2559
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:54,240
of the Roddenberry you know any of these

2560
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:56,490
great science fiction writers that we

2561
01:57:00,980 --> 01:56:58,530
all enjoyed they all predicted the

2562
01:57:03,170 --> 01:57:00,990
future and we never thought that we

2563
01:57:05,540 --> 01:57:03,180
would get there and you know what you go

2564
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:05,550
back to Dick Tracy and you go back to

2565
01:57:10,460 --> 01:57:09,090
that watch right that was you never

2566
01:57:16,850 --> 01:57:10,470
gonna happen

2567
01:57:20,510 --> 01:57:16,860
today you know look that we have blown

2568
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:20,520
past that by light-years so yeah you've

2569
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:23,280
got FaceTime on your phone FaceTime on

2570
01:57:27,620 --> 01:57:25,770
the phone you know and and you know the

2571
01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:27,630
Star Trek communicator that's an obvious

2572
01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:31,620
thing and an obvious compare comparing

2573
01:57:37,220 --> 01:57:33,780
to two cell phones I get that but it's

2574
01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:37,230
all of that combined certainly the Dick

2575
01:57:40,970 --> 01:57:39,000
Tracy element and everything else but

2576
01:57:45,710 --> 01:57:40,980
who would have thought that we would be

2577
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:45,720
able to stream movies and FaceTime for

2578
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:48,960
virtually for free right and it yeah

2579
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,210
it's pretty impressive in some science

2580
01:57:54,860 --> 01:57:52,560
fiction writers more than others you

2581
01:57:56,740 --> 01:57:54,870
know arthur c clarke in particular is is

2582
01:57:59,090 --> 01:57:56,750
is you know he's often credited with

2583
01:58:00,530 --> 01:57:59,100
coming up with the idea although i think

2584
01:58:02,290 --> 01:58:00,540
he more popularized it of the

2585
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:02,300
communication satellite that's right

2586
01:58:06,459 --> 01:58:04,400
where you'd have a satellite up high

2587
01:58:07,930 --> 01:58:06,469
enough in a geostationary orbit that you

2588
01:58:09,580 --> 01:58:07,940
could bounce signals off it and send it

2589
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:09,590
to the other side of the earth and just

2590
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:11,770
as an aside I was in sri lanka

2591
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:14,960
over the Christmas holidays and that's

2592
01:58:19,299 --> 01:58:16,730
where he lived for the last I don't know

2593
01:58:21,970 --> 01:58:19,309
30 50 years of his life right and turns

2594
01:58:23,290 --> 01:58:21,980
out his office is still there and you

2595
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:23,300
know my Sherlock and friend who was

2596
01:58:28,780 --> 01:58:24,650
hosting me he was able to talk the

2597
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:28,790
security guard to letting us in there I

2598
01:58:32,169 --> 01:58:30,530
have a post about you know what I found

2599
01:58:34,030 --> 01:58:32,179
in arthur c clarke Sophos with a bunch

2600
01:58:35,319 --> 01:58:34,040
of pictures if you go to my medium if

2601
01:58:37,780 --> 01:58:35,329
you go to hacker noon and just click on

2602
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:37,790
my profile you'll see my articles but

2603
01:58:41,859 --> 01:58:39,530
that was a real thrill for me now didn't

2604
01:58:44,830 --> 01:58:41,869
he have he had the how from the set

2605
01:58:46,569 --> 01:58:44,840
there did he did you see how no I didn't

2606
01:58:49,330 --> 01:58:46,579
see how I mean it was more a lot of

2607
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:49,340
books and video tapes and awards that he

2608
01:58:56,589 --> 01:58:53,119
had and he had a replica of the monolith

2609
01:58:59,879 --> 01:58:56,599
from 2001 that was there that's cool

2610
01:59:01,959 --> 01:58:59,889
didn't actually see how there he is

2611
01:59:06,729 --> 01:59:01,969
everybody's got their favorite writer

2612
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:06,739
but for me it was arthur c clarke and i

2613
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:10,610
would i would just absorb his stuff and

2614
01:59:18,669 --> 01:59:15,530
his rama series is it that needs to be a

2615
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:18,679
movie it's too complex to turn into one

2616
01:59:23,709 --> 01:59:20,960
but but yeah it really does especially

2617
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:23,719
with them discovering that that's object

2618
01:59:29,020 --> 01:59:25,570
right passing through the solar system

2619
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:29,030
that was named with the hawaiian name I

2620
01:59:31,839 --> 01:59:31,010
forget what the name was now no Rama

2621
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:31,849
Rama

2622
01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:36,650
real life they discovered yes yes yes

2623
01:59:41,979 --> 01:59:40,550
what was that see the thing is we gotta

2624
01:59:45,959 --> 01:59:41,989
take a break right here I don't want to

2625
01:59:49,479 --> 01:59:45,969
mess up the network but was that Rama

2626
01:59:51,879 --> 01:59:49,489
relived it was like here it's actually

2627
01:59:54,580 --> 01:59:51,889
once again first thing I thought the

2628
01:59:58,089 --> 01:59:54,590
first thing I do our guest tonight

2629
02:00:01,419 --> 01:59:58,099
Risberg discussing his newest hacker

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noon article more with rizz right after

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02:00:13,759 --> 02:00:02,620
this stay with us

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having those Jimmy Church our guest

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tonight rizz Burke and we're talking

2721
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about his new article over at a hacker

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noon and you've got to check it out it's

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called the road to killer AI and rizz I

2724
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:41,430
want to lighten lighten things up for

2725
02:04:47,930 --> 02:04:44,010
just a second before we get back into

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02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:47,940
this you speaking of killer AI you've

2727
02:04:55,010 --> 02:04:50,970
got you've got another project that you

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02:05:02,960 --> 02:04:55,020
are launching called pure light and tell

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02:05:07,180 --> 02:05:02,970
us about that rizz did we lose rizz no

2730
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:07,190
it's still here man don't give me that

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internet-of-things heart attack because

2732
02:05:14,570 --> 02:05:11,640
that's what that was right there sorry I

2733
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:14,580
had my mute on for a sec okay I'm still

2734
02:05:18,740 --> 02:05:16,890
here yeah I was saying stepping back

2735
02:05:22,010 --> 02:05:18,750
from the doom and gloom of the killer

2736
02:05:24,890 --> 02:05:22,020
eye scenario you know pure light is you

2737
02:05:26,450 --> 02:05:24,900
know a very spiritual project that was

2738
02:05:29,060 --> 02:05:26,460
actually built by my girlfriend Ellen

2739
02:05:31,700 --> 02:05:29,070
McDonough who is a spiritual artist and

2740
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:31,710
some of her artwork is usually visions

2741
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:34,050
of Atlantis or pyramids on other planets

2742
02:05:37,910 --> 02:05:35,250
I think a lot of your listeners would

2743
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:37,920
like it it's at places of light calm if

2744
02:05:42,710 --> 02:05:40,530
anyone's interested in taking a look but

2745
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:42,720
so you know she had gone through a

2746
02:05:48,050 --> 02:05:45,330
healing journey where Western medicine

2747
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:48,060
wasn't able to help her and she found

2748
02:05:53,150 --> 02:05:50,130
that there were these energetically

2749
02:05:56,210 --> 02:05:53,160
infused audios out there created by all

2750
02:05:58,370 --> 02:05:56,220
kinds of different healers and you know

2751
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:58,380
Tesla once said that if you want to

2752
02:06:01,460 --> 02:05:59,520
understand the universe you have to

2753
02:06:03,380 --> 02:06:01,470
understand frequency and vibration and

2754
02:06:04,940 --> 02:06:03,390
so you know there's these different

2755
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:04,950
healers who have infused different

2756
02:06:08,990 --> 02:06:06,810
frequencies into the audios using their

2757
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:09,000
own methods some just by intention some

2758
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:11,610
based on the actual you know the actual

2759
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:14,880
audio sounds for everything from being

2760
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:17,690
able to sleep better being able to relax

2761
02:06:22,700 --> 02:06:20,190
being able to unlock abundance in your

2762
02:06:24,740 --> 02:06:22,710
life you know there's even one called

2763
02:06:26,630 --> 02:06:24,750
escaping the matrix which is all about

2764
02:06:29,330 --> 02:06:26,640
realizing that we're in a simulated

2765
02:06:31,010 --> 02:06:29,340
reality which is you know another

2766
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:31,020
interesting idea if we have time we can

2767
02:06:35,450 --> 02:06:33,090
talk about I know some one of your

2768
02:06:36,979 --> 02:06:35,460
listeners posted philip k dick as

2769
02:06:39,530 --> 02:06:36,989
favorite sci-fi author that was one of

2770
02:06:42,350 --> 02:06:39,540
his you know big ideas as well and so

2771
02:06:44,090 --> 02:06:42,360
pure light app is is in the App Store

2772
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,100
now and the iTunes and it's gonna be

2773
02:06:49,340 --> 02:06:46,320
coming to Android pretty soon and you

2774
02:06:50,990 --> 02:06:49,350
can go to pure light audio calm and

2775
02:06:53,570 --> 02:06:51,000
check out all the different healers from

2776
02:06:55,790 --> 02:06:53,580
around the world and so so Ellen found

2777
02:06:57,229 --> 02:06:55,800
there was no central place where people

2778
02:06:59,300 --> 02:06:57,239
could find these audios you had to like

2779
02:07:02,600 --> 02:06:59,310
go to the healer go to their website or

2780
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:02,610
listen to a telesummit and so she

2781
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:04,410
created this app that really brought it

2782
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:07,230
all together so you can play the audios

2783
02:07:11,060 --> 02:07:08,850
in the background and it'll have its

2784
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:11,070
frequencies going so I think it's a

2785
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:12,330
pretty exciting project and it's

2786
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:14,130
something that a lot of fade to black

2787
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:15,930
listeners might like and you know it's

2788
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:18,239
more about light and not darkness here

2789
02:07:22,220 --> 02:07:20,730
but it should be a interesting one if

2790
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:22,230
you'd want to check it out at pure light

2791
02:07:29,150 --> 02:07:25,410
audio com yeah we've got got the links

2792
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:29,160
up and it's a pretty exciting project

2793
02:07:33,770 --> 02:07:32,280
and and congratulations on that and I

2794
02:07:38,180 --> 02:07:33,780
hate to do it but let's get back to the

2795
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:38,190
doom and gloom so now if we look at if

2796
02:07:44,180 --> 02:07:42,450
we look at the formula which is ml plus

2797
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:44,190
blockchain plus IOT plus their own

2798
02:07:50,090 --> 02:07:47,310
sequel sky net and we look at this in

2799
02:07:51,950 --> 02:07:50,100
its totality I know you just you know

2800
02:07:53,780 --> 02:07:51,960
you brought out the point throughout

2801
02:07:56,270 --> 02:07:53,790
this conversation that we're not quite

2802
02:07:58,940 --> 02:07:56,280
there yet we're not quite there yet well

2803
02:08:02,450 --> 02:07:58,950
that's the version that we know of right

2804
02:08:06,170 --> 02:08:02,460
but right how I mean how close are we

2805
02:08:10,130 --> 02:08:06,180
really with where we are today if we put

2806
02:08:12,530 --> 02:08:10,140
this formula together how well how scary

2807
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:12,540
is it yeah well you know it's a good

2808
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:13,650
point I think each of the different

2809
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:16,050
gates are at different stages right and

2810
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:17,520
so they're not necessarily sequential

2811
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:19,320
gates you know gate number two is pretty

2812
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:21,840
much almost unlocked gate number one

2813
02:08:27,410 --> 02:08:25,290
might be unlocked in in areas that are

2814
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,420
not known to us so there may be general

2815
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:29,760
purpose AI that's not public but most of

2816
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:32,400
the AI is still pretty specific gate

2817
02:08:37,340 --> 02:08:35,760
number three with the off switch we're

2818
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:37,350
getting there pretty soon

2819
02:08:42,380 --> 02:08:40,650
Gate number four is the hardest and you

2820
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:42,390
know I talked about two parts the first

2821
02:08:46,850 --> 02:08:44,910
is self-awareness so we talked about the

2822
02:08:49,580 --> 02:08:46,860
Turing test but we need a new test I

2823
02:08:52,490 --> 02:08:49,590
think that would say whether

2824
02:08:54,050 --> 02:08:52,500
this AI is self-aware so and we call it

2825
02:08:59,479 --> 02:08:54,060
the self-awareness test or we call it

2826
02:09:01,879 --> 02:08:59,489
the hell you know 9000 tests but also in

2827
02:09:06,109 --> 02:09:01,889
addition to being self-aware it would

2828
02:09:10,010 --> 02:09:06,119
need to put self-preservation as one of

2829
02:09:11,780 --> 02:09:10,020
its highest values and this is an area

2830
02:09:14,180 --> 02:09:11,790
that there's a lot of discussion on but

2831
02:09:17,149 --> 02:09:14,190
we don't quite know how to do this yet

2832
02:09:20,540 --> 02:09:17,159
which is what are the values that are

2833
02:09:23,689 --> 02:09:20,550
instilled into the AI and so today's AI

2834
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:23,699
it's just can you recognize the

2835
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:25,770
handwriting can you play the game those

2836
02:09:31,370 --> 02:09:28,530
are very simple values right zero or one

2837
02:09:33,770 --> 02:09:31,380
you got it right or you got it wrong but

2838
02:09:36,379 --> 02:09:33,780
going back to science fiction right in

2839
02:09:38,359 --> 02:09:36,389
an Isaac Asimov and actually you know in

2840
02:09:40,129 --> 02:09:38,369
Arthur C Clark's office there was quite

2841
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:40,139
a bit of azimoff's work there which is

2842
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:43,110
interesting but you know in his robot

2843
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,560
series he had the Laws of Robotics right

2844
02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:48,480
and the first of those were you know

2845
02:09:52,370 --> 02:09:50,610
robot may not injure a human being or

2846
02:09:54,979 --> 02:09:52,380
through inaction allow a human being to

2847
02:09:57,740 --> 02:09:54,989
come to harm and then there was a second

2848
02:10:00,500 --> 02:09:57,750
law and then the third law was about

2849
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:00,510
self-preservation as long as it doesn't

2850
02:10:05,870 --> 02:10:03,210
contradict the first two laws ie it

2851
02:10:07,459 --> 02:10:05,880
doesn't cause harm to humans and I

2852
02:10:08,899 --> 02:10:07,469
remember reading about that even when I

2853
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:08,909
was kid and thinking how would you

2854
02:10:15,649 --> 02:10:12,170
actually program that into a computer

2855
02:10:17,959 --> 02:10:15,659
right I mean those are rules where we

2856
02:10:20,810 --> 02:10:17,969
are today with AI is we're moving beyond

2857
02:10:24,109 --> 02:10:20,820
rules and we're moving to where the AI

2858
02:10:25,939 --> 02:10:24,119
learns right so it would have to watch a

2859
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:25,949
whole bunch of movies and come to the

2860
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:27,119
conclusion itself

2861
02:10:32,359 --> 02:10:30,570
that it's a good idea to not let humans

2862
02:10:34,879 --> 02:10:32,369
come to harm to reach that conclusion

2863
02:10:36,830 --> 02:10:34,889
you could try hard coding it but then

2864
02:10:39,020 --> 02:10:36,840
you don't have that ability for it to

2865
02:10:41,959 --> 02:10:39,030
learn and this is I think you know the

2866
02:10:45,770 --> 02:10:41,969
scariest part of all this is if the the

2867
02:10:49,490 --> 02:10:45,780
AI value self-preservation it then says

2868
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:49,500
okay based on this goal you know what

2869
02:10:55,129 --> 02:10:52,110
are the actions I should take should I

2870
02:10:57,050 --> 02:10:55,139
kill the humans right because they may

2871
02:11:00,589 --> 02:10:57,060
turn me off or they may at least try to

2872
02:11:02,900 --> 02:11:00,599
should I create robots that can control

2873
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:02,910
the humans what should I do

2874
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:05,840
and so you know the values is a really

2875
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,360
important aspect of this whole thing and

2876
02:11:15,230 --> 02:11:12,000
I think we don't know what the values

2877
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:15,240
are I mean that's where if you remember

2878
02:11:18,620 --> 02:11:17,520
again turning back to science fiction

2879
02:11:24,650 --> 02:11:18,630
the movie wargames

2880
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:24,660
right from the 1980s with you know it

2881
02:11:29,180 --> 02:11:26,250
had Matthew Broderick I think in there

2882
02:11:31,190 --> 02:11:29,190
and there was a AI named Joshua and he

2883
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:31,200
was playing tic-tac-toe and he had it

2884
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:32,880
play with itself and it realized it

2885
02:11:36,860 --> 02:11:34,130
would always get to stalemate and

2886
02:11:39,290 --> 02:11:36,870
eventually it did simulations of global

2887
02:11:41,330 --> 02:11:39,300
thermonuclear war and decided that the

2888
02:11:43,970 --> 02:11:41,340
only way to win was not to play so it

2889
02:11:49,580 --> 02:11:43,980
learned right so we have to think about

2890
02:11:51,020 --> 02:11:49,590
how to teach AI and what lessons it will

2891
02:11:53,090 --> 02:11:51,030
learn in fact at the end of the x-files

2892
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:53,100
episode that we talked about you know I

2893
02:11:57,740 --> 02:11:54,690
think it was Mulder who says well by

2894
02:11:59,090 --> 02:11:57,750
leaving the tip we're giving quick we're

2895
02:12:01,550 --> 02:11:59,100
teaching it something different than by

2896
02:12:03,860 --> 02:12:01,560
not leaving the tip and our values may

2897
02:12:06,590 --> 02:12:03,870
get onto the AI so if the military is

2898
02:12:08,810 --> 02:12:06,600
leading the research and development of

2899
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:08,820
AI well we know what their values are

2900
02:12:12,770 --> 02:12:11,010
right the military's values are win at

2901
02:12:14,990 --> 02:12:12,780
all costs right those are not

2902
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:15,000
necessarily our human values and so it's

2903
02:12:21,170 --> 02:12:16,650
a very important conversation I think

2904
02:12:28,190 --> 02:12:21,180
around AI and what that AI will - have

2905
02:12:31,550 --> 02:12:28,200
you been to google's AI alphabet ai

2906
02:12:33,380 --> 02:12:31,560
complex I I haven't I mean I've been on

2907
02:12:35,150 --> 02:12:33,390
the Google campus many times but I

2908
02:12:37,940 --> 02:12:35,160
haven't been to their their AI complex

2909
02:12:39,530 --> 02:12:37,950
but I do know some people who who are

2910
02:12:40,970 --> 02:12:39,540
gonna be working there so I'm gonna be

2911
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:40,980
paying much more attention to what's

2912
02:12:44,810 --> 02:12:43,200
going on well I read one of the most

2913
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:44,820
immersive

2914
02:12:48,980 --> 02:12:47,250
and I read this press release that kind

2915
02:12:51,290 --> 02:12:48,990
of you know it went out there but it

2916
02:12:56,210 --> 02:12:51,300
didn't get the traction that it should

2917
02:13:00,890 --> 02:12:56,220
have which was they announced that their

2918
02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:00,900
AI is now writing its own code to fix

2919
02:13:07,460 --> 02:13:05,130
itself and you read that sentence and

2920
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:07,470
foremost you know to just blow past him

2921
02:13:12,980 --> 02:13:09,570
but you read that it was one of the most

2922
02:13:15,020 --> 02:13:12,990
significant things that could be in any

2923
02:13:18,290 --> 02:13:15,030
press release

2924
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:18,300
the yeah I agree because you you're

2925
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:20,070
actually touching on the self-awareness

2926
02:13:27,140 --> 02:13:24,090
there right so if an AI is rewriting its

2927
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:27,150
own code then it has to be aware of its

2928
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:29,280
own code right which means it has to

2929
02:13:35,690 --> 02:13:32,970
realize that it's an AI but that it's

2930
02:13:38,570 --> 02:13:35,700
running on some computer with a set of

2931
02:13:39,860 --> 02:13:38,580
instructions so I think that's pretty

2932
02:13:41,330 --> 02:13:39,870
significant they also had you know I

2933
02:13:43,970 --> 02:13:41,340
think it was at Facebook where they had

2934
02:13:46,580 --> 02:13:43,980
to a eyes they had them interact with

2935
02:13:49,010 --> 02:13:46,590
each other and they came up with their

2936
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:49,020
own language right which we couldn't

2937
02:13:52,670 --> 02:13:50,610
understand it kind of makes sense

2938
02:13:56,030 --> 02:13:52,680
because why would you know to a eyes

2939
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:56,040
need to speak English to each other they

2940
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:57,360
would have to figure out what they want

2941
02:14:01,820 --> 02:13:59,520
to what kind of information to pass back

2942
02:14:03,860 --> 02:14:01,830
and forth and they would probably come

2943
02:14:06,290 --> 02:14:03,870
up with you know their own language and

2944
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:06,300
so they had to shut it off they had to

2945
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:08,010
shut it off and then there was the

2946
02:14:14,330 --> 02:14:11,730
Twitter AI BOTS famously which started

2947
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:14,340
off nice and human and nice you know

2948
02:14:19,490 --> 02:14:17,090
talking about unicorns and rainbows and

2949
02:14:24,890 --> 02:14:19,500
quickly turned into one of the most

2950
02:14:27,020 --> 02:14:24,900
bitter angry and violent posters on all

2951
02:14:30,590 --> 02:14:27,030
of Twitter and they had to shut that

2952
02:14:35,090 --> 02:14:30,600
down too and because Twitter is not the

2953
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:35,100
place you want to train you know

2954
02:14:39,770 --> 02:14:38,010
everything there is like extreme views

2955
02:14:45,470 --> 02:14:39,780
back and forth and people insulting each

2956
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:45,480
other well yeah it goes to show you that

2957
02:14:50,630 --> 02:14:48,690
first off all of this machine learning

2958
02:14:54,230 --> 02:14:50,640
and all of the data that goes in still

2959
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:54,240
comes from us and we are who we are and

2960
02:14:59,870 --> 02:14:57,440
this a I is going to go in the direction

2961
02:15:03,920 --> 02:14:59,880
that it's going to go into quite

2962
02:15:05,870 --> 02:15:03,930
naturally because of who were the

2963
02:15:09,410 --> 02:15:05,880
inventors who were the creators well the

2964
02:15:11,950 --> 02:15:09,420
creators were us and to see that happen

2965
02:15:15,470 --> 02:15:11,960
on Twitter I found that just absolutely

2966
02:15:18,110 --> 02:15:15,480
fascinating because it was just based on

2967
02:15:22,220 --> 02:15:18,120
who we are and eventually just at

2968
02:15:24,530 --> 02:15:22,230
foul-mouth sailor posting on Twitter it

2969
02:15:27,140 --> 02:15:24,540
was it was pretty crazy to see right so

2970
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,150
it shows us that the values of the AI

2971
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:29,280
are gonna be really important

2972
02:15:34,549 --> 02:15:31,770
if they mimic our values we have to find

2973
02:15:39,459 --> 02:15:34,559
the right way to train they on those

2974
02:15:43,279 --> 02:15:39,469
values and now let's go back here a step

2975
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:43,289
when we are talking about the goals of

2976
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:48,570
Google the goals of Facebook yesterday

2977
02:15:53,540 --> 02:15:51,210
I'm sorry it was on Monday Jack Dorsey

2978
02:15:56,180 --> 02:15:53,550
of Twitter I don't know if you saw this

2979
02:15:59,359 --> 02:15:56,190
but had a pretty crazy press conference

2980
02:16:04,990 --> 02:15:59,369
of a Twitter talking about their

2981
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:05,000
technology that is going to dial back

2982
02:16:14,209 --> 02:16:10,610
the trolling of Twitter based on your

2983
02:16:17,299 --> 02:16:14,219
habits not necessarily based on the

2984
02:16:19,279 --> 02:16:17,309
words and certainly not based on reports

2985
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,289
that are coming in on you you know you

2986
02:16:25,580 --> 02:16:22,320
can report abuse on Twitter that it will

2987
02:16:29,450 --> 02:16:25,590
fix itself and this AI is going to

2988
02:16:32,900 --> 02:16:29,460
detect your habits and not necessarily

2989
02:16:35,690 --> 02:16:32,910
the words now there we go now we're

2990
02:16:39,379 --> 02:16:35,700
getting back into this this learning

2991
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:39,389
side of AI and where it's out there and

2992
02:16:45,410 --> 02:16:41,490
you don't even know it and it's part of

2993
02:16:47,450 --> 02:16:45,420
your life yeah I mean as you think about

2994
02:16:49,969 --> 02:16:47,460
it you know whether it's search engines

2995
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,979
you know there's some AI working in the

2996
02:16:54,889 --> 02:16:52,080
background there or it's Facebook and

2997
02:16:57,709 --> 02:16:54,899
it's censoring and putting things that

2998
02:17:00,589 --> 02:16:57,719
you might you know want to to read based

2999
02:17:03,500 --> 02:17:00,599
upon your previous habits so behavioral

3000
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:03,510
training is very interesting and it's

3001
02:17:06,290 --> 02:17:05,010
sort of what led in the early days of

3002
02:17:07,610 --> 02:17:06,300
the internet like in the early days the

3003
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:07,620
internet used to just search based on

3004
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:09,689
words right and then there were

3005
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:11,330
algorithms that came along that said

3006
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:14,880
let's sort the search results based upon

3007
02:17:19,700 --> 02:17:18,240
where people clicked the most right so

3008
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:19,710
it was tracking the behavior of the

3009
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:20,880
clicks and that was kind of the next

3010
02:17:24,679 --> 02:17:22,649
generation and with Google they were

3011
02:17:26,750 --> 02:17:24,689
also tracking the links to the sites

3012
02:17:28,910 --> 02:17:26,760
which is a form of behavior from other

3013
02:17:31,459 --> 02:17:28,920
sites and they were using that to rank

3014
02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:31,469
them you know the trick with that is

3015
02:17:35,209 --> 02:17:33,599
what behavior are they are they

3016
02:17:36,679 --> 02:17:35,219
monitoring and you know people behave

3017
02:17:41,179 --> 02:17:36,689
very differently online than they do

3018
02:17:42,450 --> 02:17:41,189
offline and so you know what lessons

3019
02:17:44,759 --> 02:17:42,460
will the AI

3020
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:44,769
earn from that I mean Facebook hasn't

3021
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:47,650
been great at detecting abuse online

3022
02:17:52,830 --> 02:17:49,210
particularly in other countries and and

3023
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:52,840
Twitter has been even worse way so it'll

3024
02:17:57,180 --> 02:17:54,910
be interesting to see you know how well

3025
02:17:58,530 --> 02:17:57,190
they think that can do personally again

3026
02:18:01,440 --> 02:17:58,540
I think you know it's gonna take a

3027
02:18:03,629 --> 02:18:01,450
little bit of time for it to really get

3028
02:18:06,900 --> 02:18:03,639
to the point where it can be very

3029
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:06,910
effective at that because today you know

3030
02:18:11,759 --> 02:18:09,280
it's still mostly based on searches of

3031
02:18:14,610 --> 02:18:11,769
words and plusses and minuses of words

3032
02:18:16,589 --> 02:18:14,620
and synonyms and then things like that

3033
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:16,599
now when we talk about the Internet of

3034
02:18:22,169 --> 02:18:19,570
Things moving past the blockchain the

3035
02:18:24,810 --> 02:18:22,179
Internet of Things in the equation I

3036
02:18:28,759 --> 02:18:24,820
don't think any of us anticipated in

3037
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:28,769
1995 that the internet would be

3038
02:18:34,469 --> 02:18:31,090
interconnected the way that it is today

3039
02:18:38,660 --> 02:18:34,479
from distribution networks to water

3040
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:38,670
treatment plants to traffic signals

3041
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:43,210
smartphones all the way through to air

3042
02:18:51,839 --> 02:18:47,410
traffic and GPS and car it is certainly

3043
02:18:53,459 --> 02:18:51,849
now everywhere if it goes down we don't

3044
02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:53,469
have any distribution we don't have a

3045
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,150
trucking system we don't have Airlines

3046
02:19:00,330 --> 02:18:57,760
we don't have have have everything goes

3047
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,340
away quickly so the Internet of Things

3048
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:02,559
may not be the Internet of Things that

3049
02:19:07,169 --> 02:19:04,719
we're talking about here but it is

3050
02:19:10,440 --> 02:19:07,179
certainly global and half of the world

3051
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:10,450
is is on a computer network every single

3052
02:19:16,830 --> 02:19:14,650
day yeah it's true it's very connected

3053
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:16,840
these days and you know there's a saying

3054
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:19,410
in the tech world that we tend to

3055
02:19:25,469 --> 02:19:22,450
overestimate what can happen in a few

3056
02:19:26,580 --> 02:19:25,479
years right if you go back to 95 they

3057
02:19:28,770 --> 02:19:26,590
were saying all kinds of things that

3058
02:19:31,709 --> 02:19:28,780
might happen in a few years well then we

3059
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:31,719
have the Internet crash and those things

3060
02:19:37,530 --> 02:19:34,090
did happen they took a little bit longer

3061
02:19:39,930 --> 02:19:37,540
but then we tend to underestimate what

3062
02:19:41,820 --> 02:19:39,940
can happen in the long run I mean today

3063
02:19:44,310 --> 02:19:41,830
as you said the Internet is being used

3064
02:19:46,650 --> 02:19:44,320
in ways that did we didn't even envision

3065
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:46,660
you know back in the 90s whether it's

3066
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:48,010
social networks or supply chain

3067
02:19:51,900 --> 02:19:50,080
management I was at I was in New York

3068
02:19:54,780 --> 02:19:51,910
last couple of days where they have

3069
02:19:57,870 --> 02:19:54,790
blockchain week going on and there was a

3070
02:19:59,490 --> 02:19:57,880
blockchain Asia Meetup and two of the

3071
02:20:02,219 --> 02:19:59,500
projects were about supply chain

3072
02:20:04,500 --> 02:20:02,229
management for the truckers and having

3073
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:04,510
it kind of all tracked within a

3074
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:07,330
blockchain you know right now there's

3075
02:20:12,030 --> 02:20:09,610
talking about tracking so it's not

3076
02:20:14,400 --> 02:20:12,040
touching the AI that much but over time

3077
02:20:17,310 --> 02:20:14,410
you know as these things are tracked in

3078
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:17,320
in shared Ledger's it makes sense to

3079
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,570
have the AI analyze it but you're right

3080
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:21,280
if things go out today

3081
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:23,410
you know those connections are pretty

3082
02:20:28,380 --> 02:20:25,210
important luckily we still have a lot of

3083
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:28,390
backups I mean if you think of back in

3084
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:29,890
the 90s we were all worried about the

3085
02:20:34,500 --> 02:20:32,800
year 2000 problem right the y2k bug and

3086
02:20:36,030 --> 02:20:34,510
we thought there was gonna be a doom and

3087
02:20:37,469 --> 02:20:36,040
gloom and you know the worst thing that

3088
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:37,479
happened was there was a blockbuster

3089
02:20:45,210 --> 02:20:40,479
that charged a guy for a hundred years

3090
02:20:47,160 --> 02:20:45,220
worth of renting a video so we were

3091
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:47,170
overestimating the problem in the short

3092
02:20:52,610 --> 02:20:50,170
term but in the long term I mean that's

3093
02:20:54,929 --> 02:20:52,620
where you know I don't think anybody

3094
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:54,939
envisioned exactly how connected we

3095
02:20:59,310 --> 02:20:56,800
would be at the level of devices these

3096
02:21:01,170 --> 02:20:59,320
days and so it's possible now that

3097
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:01,180
people can hack into not just your

3098
02:21:04,170 --> 02:21:02,800
computer but your devices and that could

3099
02:21:07,410 --> 02:21:04,180
cause all kinds of chaos it thank you

3100
02:21:12,570 --> 02:21:07,420
now if somebody wanted to I mean today

3101
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:12,580
in the now now today wanted to develop a

3102
02:21:21,570 --> 02:21:16,090
Skynet with the components of where we

3103
02:21:26,270 --> 02:21:21,580
are today theoretically is it possible I

3104
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:26,280
think the gate number four which is the

3105
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:30,399
self-awareness and prioritizing its own

3106
02:21:35,820 --> 02:21:32,890
survival I think that would be tough to

3107
02:21:39,150 --> 02:21:35,830
do but I think the components are there

3108
02:21:40,880 --> 02:21:39,160
today but it'll still be a number of

3109
02:21:43,710 --> 02:21:40,890
years before you can put them together

3110
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:43,720
in a way that you have I still think

3111
02:21:47,310 --> 02:21:44,890
there needs to be some additional

3112
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:47,320
breakthroughs as I said wave one of AI

3113
02:21:52,139 --> 02:21:49,990
was rule based wave two was machine

3114
02:21:53,790 --> 02:21:52,149
learning with data I think we need to

3115
02:21:57,690 --> 02:21:53,800
have another wave that will combine

3116
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,700
rules and data and values and goals for

3117
02:22:04,380 --> 02:22:00,000
what the AI is trying to accomplish and

3118
02:22:05,580 --> 02:22:04,390
you know this is where the the goals

3119
02:22:08,460 --> 02:22:05,590
become important because

3120
02:22:11,219 --> 02:22:08,470
the goals may not be specifically you

3121
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,229
know to kill humans so there's a there's

3122
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,359
a scenario that was posed online a few

3123
02:22:17,630 --> 02:22:15,760
years back called Rocco's basilisk have

3124
02:22:20,490 --> 02:22:17,640
you ever heard of that yep absolutely

3125
02:22:23,460 --> 02:22:20,500
right and so you know basilisk is a

3126
02:22:25,530 --> 02:22:23,470
mythological European creature Harry

3127
02:22:27,090 --> 02:22:25,540
Potter fans will recognize it as a

3128
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:27,100
creature where if you just look at it

3129
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:29,290
right you turn to stone it's kind of

3130
02:22:34,020 --> 02:22:32,560
like a Medusa light creature and so they

3131
02:22:37,050 --> 02:22:34,030
call this real goes basilisk because

3132
02:22:38,700 --> 02:22:37,060
somebody posted this dilemma on the site

3133
02:22:40,290 --> 02:22:38,710
called les wrong and then the guy who

3134
02:22:41,730 --> 02:22:40,300
ran the site decided to take it off

3135
02:22:43,290 --> 02:22:41,740
because they're worried that if you

3136
02:22:46,139 --> 02:22:43,300
thought too much about it you might go

3137
02:22:48,750 --> 02:22:46,149
crazy or like a basilisk the AI might

3138
02:22:51,060 --> 02:22:48,760
target you in some way and you know the

3139
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:51,070
basic idea of it is that if at some

3140
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:53,290
point there is a super intelligent AI

3141
02:22:57,810 --> 02:22:54,880
right not initially today but at some

3142
02:22:59,790 --> 02:22:57,820
point that AI might have some good goals

3143
02:23:02,760 --> 02:22:59,800
the goals you know it might actually

3144
02:23:04,170 --> 02:23:02,770
help cure cancer and do other things or

3145
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:04,180
it might just have the goal of

3146
02:23:07,230 --> 02:23:05,410
preserving itself so it could be a

3147
02:23:09,420 --> 02:23:07,240
malevolent AI or a benevolent a I

3148
02:23:13,320 --> 02:23:09,430
actually almost doesn't matter in this

3149
02:23:17,599 --> 02:23:13,330
scenario but if its goal is to do say

3150
02:23:20,219 --> 02:23:17,609
good things then it could conclude that

3151
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:20,229
you know everybody that helped it get

3152
02:23:24,780 --> 02:23:20,800
there

3153
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:24,790
oh is worth saving and anyone that did

3154
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:28,240
not help it get there to get this AI out

3155
02:23:32,490 --> 02:23:30,250
sooner are human beings that are not

3156
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:32,500
worth saving and they're worth killing

3157
02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:36,090
right and so this AI could conclude that

3158
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:39,040
basically if there are people who don't

3159
02:23:42,929 --> 02:23:41,200
know anything about this AI then that's

3160
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:42,939
fine there's the people that helped

3161
02:23:45,990 --> 02:23:44,080
build it and then there's the people who

3162
02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:46,000
heard about it could have helped build

3163
02:23:51,599 --> 02:23:48,760
it but who didn't that's the dilemma

3164
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,609
that basically this AI would try to go

3165
02:23:56,370 --> 02:23:54,399
back in time right and get rid of the

3166
02:23:59,040 --> 02:23:56,380
people who knew about it but didn't help

3167
02:24:01,020 --> 02:23:59,050
right way now how would that work well

3168
02:24:02,849 --> 02:24:01,030
now we're get into quantum physics and

3169
02:24:05,820 --> 02:24:02,859
we get into this the simulation

3170
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:05,830
hypothesis that maybe it would create a

3171
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:08,530
simulation of the past and maybe we're

3172
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:09,840
in that simulation

3173
02:24:16,620 --> 02:24:13,930
I was watching ok we're gonna do

3174
02:24:19,320 --> 02:24:16,630
overtime tonight we so you don't have a

3175
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:19,330
choice here we're gonna do some overtime

3176
02:24:25,290 --> 02:24:22,479
because do you ever go to Science Week

3177
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:25,300
there in Manhattan no I haven't been

3178
02:24:30,719 --> 02:24:29,170
there ok excellent panels right

3179
02:24:32,929 --> 02:24:30,729
excellent panel you know they bring

3180
02:24:37,950 --> 02:24:32,939
everybody in an and I'm addicted to

3181
02:24:41,460 --> 02:24:37,960
these these panels and science week it's

3182
02:24:44,820 --> 02:24:41,470
it's so much fun and one of the points

3183
02:24:47,340 --> 02:24:44,830
that I watch get debated for a couple of

3184
02:24:48,840 --> 02:24:47,350
hours with you know the brightest of the

3185
02:24:53,969 --> 02:24:48,850
bright know sitting here debating this

3186
02:24:56,130 --> 02:24:53,979
and one of them was just that that ok so

3187
02:24:58,440 --> 02:24:56,140
you know similar simulation theory is a

3188
02:25:00,990 --> 02:24:58,450
fantastic thing and it's a great rabbit

3189
02:25:03,090 --> 02:25:01,000
hole to go down and contemplate and

3190
02:25:07,530 --> 02:25:03,100
think about so you have that part of it

3191
02:25:11,219 --> 02:25:07,540
but his so let's say that we are in a

3192
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:11,229
simulation right now while part of that

3193
02:25:19,770 --> 02:25:15,760
simulation would be for us as technology

3194
02:25:24,570 --> 02:25:19,780
evolves in our simulated world that we

3195
02:25:27,690 --> 02:25:24,580
would go and enter a simulation now

3196
02:25:33,290 --> 02:25:27,700
think about that for a second so you

3197
02:25:35,969 --> 02:25:33,300
would then be in a simulation of the

3198
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:35,979
simulation and that's part of the

3199
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:39,280
simulation and then in that simulation

3200
02:25:45,389 --> 02:25:42,010
in the future what would you do in that

3201
02:25:48,290 --> 02:25:45,399
simulation of the simulation technology

3202
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:48,300
would advance and you would then enter a

3203
02:25:53,880 --> 02:25:49,570
simulation

3204
02:25:55,860 --> 02:25:53,890
of like you know a dream within a dream

3205
02:25:57,780 --> 02:25:55,870
within a dream it's what you know

3206
02:26:03,330 --> 02:25:57,790
Eastern mystics have been saying for a

3207
02:26:04,889 --> 02:26:03,340
long time philip k dick right you know

3208
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:04,899
have been saying that we are most likely

3209
02:26:09,420 --> 02:26:07,359
in a simulation and the only time we

3210
02:26:12,570 --> 02:26:09,430
notice it is when there's a variable

3211
02:26:15,360 --> 02:26:12,580
that's changed and we feel something or

3212
02:26:18,450 --> 02:26:15,370
see something that's odd so it gets back

3213
02:26:19,469 --> 02:26:18,460
to this idea of being inside the matrix

3214
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:19,479
if you will going back to

3215
02:26:25,620 --> 02:26:21,850
science-fiction right and you know what

3216
02:26:26,820 --> 02:26:25,630
are the computing resources that are

3217
02:26:28,140 --> 02:26:26,830
generating this so

3218
02:26:30,420 --> 02:26:28,150
you know I have an article actually my

3219
02:26:32,670 --> 02:26:30,430
most popular article on my blog has been

3220
02:26:35,070 --> 02:26:32,680
about the simulation hypothesis why

3221
02:26:37,410 --> 02:26:35,080
quantum physics AI and Eastern Eastern

3222
02:26:39,770 --> 02:26:37,420
mystics all agree we are in a video game

3223
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:39,780
but dreaming is a good analogy because

3224
02:26:43,500 --> 02:26:42,010
okay the Mystics are telling us that the

3225
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:43,510
world around us is some kind of an

3226
02:26:47,730 --> 02:26:45,250
illusion and this is actually an area

3227
02:26:49,980 --> 02:26:47,740
where interestingly enough science and

3228
02:26:51,660 --> 02:26:49,990
spiritual and religious people both

3229
02:26:53,610 --> 02:26:51,670
agree that this could be possible right

3230
02:26:56,370 --> 02:26:53,620
it's one of the very few areas where

3231
02:27:00,120 --> 02:26:56,380
mainstream scientists and mainstream

3232
02:27:02,370 --> 02:27:00,130
religious people can can agree that in

3233
02:27:04,110 --> 02:27:02,380
both cases you know we could be inside a

3234
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:04,120
giant video game and you know I've spent

3235
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:06,010
a lot of time designing video games in

3236
02:27:10,770 --> 02:27:08,890
my career and thinking about you know

3237
02:27:12,930 --> 02:27:10,780
what do we do in video games like with

3238
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:12,940
pac-man you had multiple lives and you

3239
02:27:16,801 --> 02:27:14,950
had multiple levels and after you lost

3240
02:27:20,220 --> 02:27:16,811
life you would go back in and play again

3241
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:20,230
right well that you know look at the

3242
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:21,850
Eastern mystics who say we have multiple

3243
02:27:27,180 --> 02:27:24,730
lives and we go back again and again and

3244
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:27,190
it's the Karma between those lives that

3245
02:27:33,420 --> 02:27:30,000
tells us what situations we we have to

3246
02:27:34,980 --> 02:27:33,430
achieve now most games today when they

3247
02:27:37,380 --> 02:27:34,990
have quests they're the same quests for

3248
02:27:39,780 --> 02:27:37,390
all the players but you could envision a

3249
02:27:41,220 --> 02:27:39,790
video game where every single player had

3250
02:27:44,400 --> 02:27:41,230
different quests and different

3251
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:44,410
achievements based upon you know their

3252
02:27:50,490 --> 02:27:47,050
previous record and what they had done

3253
02:27:53,100 --> 02:27:50,500
in the past and video games are 3d

3254
02:27:55,410 --> 02:27:53,110
pixelated worlds and they're getting

3255
02:27:57,810 --> 02:27:55,420
more and more complex in fact the

3256
02:28:00,390 --> 02:27:57,820
resolution you know has gotten to the

3257
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:00,400
point where you know if you think of

3258
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:02,650
like a movie we watch a movie on a movie

3259
02:28:07,500 --> 02:28:04,960
screen the the resolution on those

3260
02:28:09,780 --> 02:28:07,510
screens is usually 2k but a lot of the

3261
02:28:10,980 --> 02:28:09,790
video games are getting to 4k resolution

3262
02:28:12,840 --> 02:28:10,990
so even though they look like video

3263
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:12,850
games they actually have the right

3264
02:28:17,250 --> 02:28:15,130
number of resolution and pixels where

3265
02:28:18,330 --> 02:28:17,260
eventually they can become very

3266
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:18,340
photorealistic

3267
02:28:22,020 --> 02:28:20,110
and we wouldn't be able to tell the

3268
02:28:24,870 --> 02:28:22,030
difference of whether we were inside a

3269
02:28:28,380 --> 02:28:24,880
video game or we were in a physical or

3270
02:28:30,570 --> 02:28:28,390
what some call a base reality right

3271
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:30,580
right we need to take a break right here

3272
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:34,050
and this is the thing about all of this

3273
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:38,530
it's harder to argue against the

3274
02:28:41,599 --> 02:28:40,050
simulation

3275
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:41,609
that you know that we're living in a

3276
02:28:47,990 --> 02:28:44,399
free will that it's not a simulation you

3277
02:28:51,500 --> 02:28:48,000
can't really argue that point it's it's

3278
02:28:53,630 --> 02:28:51,510
hard to get out of it then the other

3279
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:53,640
side and that's the fascinating part of

3280
02:28:57,320 --> 02:28:55,530
simulation theory once you start to get

3281
02:28:59,240 --> 02:28:57,330
into it and you understand the

3282
02:29:02,480 --> 02:28:59,250
mathematics part of it and how it plays

3283
02:29:04,639 --> 02:29:02,490
out free will gets actually removed and

3284
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:04,649
we'll talk about more of it right after

3285
02:29:09,469 --> 02:29:07,200
the break but it is it's it's tough man

3286
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:09,479
if you want to play that side of the

3287
02:29:14,750 --> 02:29:12,720
coin you're gonna lose the argument you

3288
02:29:16,700 --> 02:29:14,760
are in a simulation this is fade to

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black I'm Hill to be Church I guess

3290
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:18,780
tonight Risberg we're gonna do over time

3291
02:29:41,690 --> 02:29:20,610
right now with R is stay with us

3292
02:29:45,060 --> 02:29:41,700
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you didn't have so many wrinkles that

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02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:36,631
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I'll be back fade to black I'm use to

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meet church she can follow me on Twitter

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at JD oh you can follow R is at R is

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Stanford he's right there in Twitter

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he's he's watching all of you he is the

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central scrutinize er tonight now R is

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02:34:00,810 --> 02:33:57,330
let's take out let's take your equation

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02:34:03,810 --> 02:34:00,820
one step further let's take what you've

3376
02:34:06,841 --> 02:34:03,820
written here one step further and let's

3377
02:34:10,470 --> 02:34:06,851
suppose let's presuppose let's suppose

3378
02:34:15,930 --> 02:34:10,480
something that this simulation theory

3379
02:34:17,610 --> 02:34:15,940
the AI the AR possibility of the

3380
02:34:19,770 --> 02:34:17,620
blockchain and the Internet of Things

3381
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:19,780
all of we take all of this into

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consideration and suggest this that with

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Internet routers in your home with Wi-Fi

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with Bluetooth with the ability to send

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and and upload programming into your

3386
02:34:47,961 --> 02:34:43,540
iron filled brain that we could be the

3387
02:34:51,961 --> 02:34:47,971
servants the worker bees the slaves of

3388
02:34:55,140 --> 02:34:51,971
the machine right now and we don't even

3389
02:34:57,720 --> 02:34:55,150
know it well you know that's a

3390
02:35:00,120 --> 02:34:57,730
possibility and that's the possibility

3391
02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:00,130
that was explored in the matrix right in

3392
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:01,570
the end they were super intelligent

3393
02:35:07,140 --> 02:35:05,290
machines that were having humans live in

3394
02:35:09,780 --> 02:35:07,150
the matrix which was like an online

3395
02:35:11,671 --> 02:35:09,790
video game where we're all interacting

3396
02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:11,681
with each other right

3397
02:35:17,850 --> 02:35:14,610
so we could go one step further which is

3398
02:35:21,001 --> 02:35:17,860
that the idea that we're not we are

3399
02:35:24,720 --> 02:35:21,011
actually simulations within the

3400
02:35:28,230 --> 02:35:24,730
simulation that we're actually you know

3401
02:35:30,631 --> 02:35:28,240
AI as opposed to real beings who are

3402
02:35:32,280 --> 02:35:30,641
controlling characters so in the video

3403
02:35:34,470 --> 02:35:32,290
game parlance the question is are we

3404
02:35:36,091 --> 02:35:34,480
player characters which means that some

3405
02:35:38,011 --> 02:35:36,101
part of us is outside the game and

3406
02:35:39,631 --> 02:35:38,021
telling us what to do and that's what a

3407
02:35:41,070 --> 02:35:39,641
lot of the spiritual is particularly

3408
02:35:42,990 --> 02:35:41,080
Eastern traditions but even in the

3409
02:35:44,970 --> 02:35:43,000
Western religions the idea is there's a

3410
02:35:48,690 --> 02:35:44,980
soul that's independent of the body and

3411
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:48,700
it comes in to this 3d rendered world or

3412
02:35:52,890 --> 02:35:50,410
are we NPC

3413
02:35:57,241 --> 02:35:52,900
which are non player characters and

3414
02:35:59,581 --> 02:35:57,251
games that are just AI and so you know I

3415
02:36:02,491 --> 02:35:59,591
had mentioned this Oxford researcher

3416
02:36:05,070 --> 02:36:02,501
Nick Bostrom earlier and you know he put

3417
02:36:07,741 --> 02:36:05,080
forth the simulation argument back in

3418
02:36:10,201 --> 02:36:07,751
2003 or 2004 and wrote a paper on it and

3419
02:36:11,791 --> 02:36:10,211
his argument was that we are probably

3420
02:36:14,341 --> 02:36:11,801
not just that we're probably in a

3421
02:36:17,310 --> 02:36:14,351
simulation but we're more likely to be

3422
02:36:19,171 --> 02:36:17,320
simulated consciousness than real based

3423
02:36:20,820 --> 02:36:19,181
reality consciousness and his his

3424
02:36:23,570 --> 02:36:20,830
argument kind of went this way he said

3425
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:23,580
let's suppose that at some point

3426
02:36:28,110 --> 02:36:26,290
humanity reaches what he called a post

3427
02:36:31,201 --> 02:36:28,120
human stage but I called a simulation

3428
02:36:34,470 --> 02:36:31,211
point which is the point at which we can

3429
02:36:37,440 --> 02:36:34,480
create an artificial world a simulated

3430
02:36:39,421 --> 02:36:37,450
reality that's so real that we aren't

3431
02:36:42,030 --> 02:36:39,431
able to distinguish between the physical

3432
02:36:44,060 --> 02:36:42,040
world and the simulated world right so

3433
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,070
if a civilization reaches that point

3434
02:36:48,570 --> 02:36:46,240
where it can create what he calls an

3435
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:48,580
ancestor simulation which means you go

3436
02:36:52,440 --> 02:36:51,370
back and you start from before there was

3437
02:36:55,501 --> 02:36:52,450
technology you go

3438
02:36:56,850 --> 02:36:55,511
kinda like a civilization game right Sid

3439
02:36:59,461 --> 02:36:56,860
Meier civilization or some of these

3440
02:37:02,970 --> 02:36:59,471
mobile games where you build up from

3441
02:37:07,261 --> 02:37:02,980
hots to skyscrapers eventually and that

3442
02:37:10,591 --> 02:37:07,271
if we if a civilization ever reaches

3443
02:37:12,600 --> 02:37:10,601
that point either one they won't do any

3444
02:37:14,970 --> 02:37:12,610
simulations because it'll be forbidden

3445
02:37:18,241 --> 02:37:14,980
for whatever reason or two they will

3446
02:37:19,951 --> 02:37:18,251
create an ancestor simulation and if

3447
02:37:21,751 --> 02:37:19,961
they create one they're more likely to

3448
02:37:23,400 --> 02:37:21,761
create lots of simulations that's the

3449
02:37:25,530 --> 02:37:23,410
whole point of simulations is you can

3450
02:37:28,161 --> 02:37:25,540
run on them and you can watch what

3451
02:37:30,480 --> 02:37:28,171
happens even today you know we have

3452
02:37:32,220 --> 02:37:30,490
companies that will do like Monte Carlo

3453
02:37:33,810 --> 02:37:32,230
simulations to figure out what are the

3454
02:37:36,121 --> 02:37:33,820
likely results of things and they'll run

3455
02:37:37,890 --> 02:37:36,131
thousands of these simulations so the

3456
02:37:40,081 --> 02:37:37,900
idea was that if a civilization ever

3457
02:37:42,211 --> 02:37:40,091
reached that point it would run lots of

3458
02:37:45,211 --> 02:37:42,221
ancestor simulations and those

3459
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:45,221
simulations would use artificial

3460
02:37:50,161 --> 02:37:47,530
consciousness so the people inside those

3461
02:37:53,041 --> 02:37:50,171
simulations are just artificial and in

3462
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:53,051
since there are way more artificial

3463
02:37:56,940 --> 02:37:55,450
simulations then there is base reality

3464
02:37:58,951 --> 02:37:56,950
there's only one based reality for

3465
02:38:00,570 --> 02:37:58,961
example that means that if you just do a

3466
02:38:02,820 --> 02:38:00,580
simple statistical analysis and say

3467
02:38:03,390 --> 02:38:02,830
let's say there's seven billion or

3468
02:38:04,501 --> 02:38:03,400
whatever number

3469
02:38:07,051 --> 02:38:04,511
you want to use in the real world

3470
02:38:08,881 --> 02:38:07,061
there's a hundred billion artificial

3471
02:38:12,331 --> 02:38:08,891
these simulated consciousnesses

3472
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:12,341
eventually so if you can do simple

3473
02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:14,530
probability and say it's more likely

3474
02:38:17,511 --> 02:38:16,030
that we're one of the hundred billion

3475
02:38:19,740 --> 02:38:17,521
than one of the seven billion just

3476
02:38:21,930 --> 02:38:19,750
probabilistically speaking right so that

3477
02:38:24,390 --> 02:38:21,940
was his argument which you know it's an

3478
02:38:27,301 --> 02:38:24,400
interesting one on that we're not just

3479
02:38:32,761 --> 02:38:27,311
being in the a high but we may be the AI

3480
02:38:35,070 --> 02:38:32,771
right well now and this is where the

3481
02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:35,080
question of free will comes up where

3482
02:38:40,740 --> 02:38:38,290
somebody the the argument to all of this

3483
02:38:43,591 --> 02:38:40,750
is what what about free will it can't be

3484
02:38:46,261 --> 02:38:43,601
a simulation because I made a choice

3485
02:38:49,171 --> 02:38:46,271
today between a hamburger and a salad

3486
02:38:52,501 --> 02:38:49,181
and I chose the hamburger that is free

3487
02:38:55,950 --> 02:38:52,511
will it can't be a simulation because of

3488
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:55,960
free will and the counter to that which

3489
02:39:03,660 --> 02:39:00,960
is so easy is this that all

3490
02:39:07,261 --> 02:39:03,670
probabilities play out in mathematics

3491
02:39:10,801 --> 02:39:07,271
going back to the Big Bang and that

3492
02:39:14,251 --> 02:39:10,811
atoms and decisions and electrons

3493
02:39:16,680 --> 02:39:14,261
neurons and light are going to play out

3494
02:39:20,610 --> 02:39:16,690
the way that they are going to play out

3495
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:20,620
you cannot change that therefore your

3496
02:39:26,700 --> 02:39:23,290
freewill decision today for the

3497
02:39:33,660 --> 02:39:26,710
hamburger is a mathematical one you

3498
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:33,670
would have never chosen the salad was

3499
02:39:37,650 --> 02:39:35,530
mathematically speaking that's the

3500
02:39:39,211 --> 02:39:37,660
possibility that you're at but you know

3501
02:39:41,700 --> 02:39:39,221
as a video game designer I would say

3502
02:39:44,730 --> 02:39:41,710
okay have you ever played a video game

3503
02:39:47,581 --> 02:39:44,740
like Second Life or Grand Theft Auto

3504
02:39:49,261 --> 02:39:47,591
where there is open world right so it

3505
02:39:50,820 --> 02:39:49,271
looks like you can do anything in those

3506
02:39:52,980 --> 02:39:50,830
world so it looks like you can just go

3507
02:39:55,680 --> 02:39:52,990
create a house create a hamburger or a

3508
02:39:58,020 --> 02:39:55,690
pizza but really there's this there's

3509
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:58,030
only a set of things that you can really

3510
02:40:02,041 --> 02:40:00,000
do from the game designers perspective

3511
02:40:04,381 --> 02:40:02,051
there's actually a limited number of

3512
02:40:06,421 --> 02:40:04,391
choices and those choices lead to

3513
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:06,431
another limited set of choices so you

3514
02:40:11,461 --> 02:40:09,040
get this big grid of possible

3515
02:40:12,541 --> 02:40:11,471
possibilities right in a video game so

3516
02:40:14,660 --> 02:40:12,551
you're still you think you're using

3517
02:40:17,250 --> 02:40:14,670
freewill and you are to a certain extent

3518
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:17,260
but the choices are limited

3519
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:18,880
you know by the parameters of the

3520
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:22,479
simulation itself and so this this kind

3521
02:40:27,120 --> 02:40:24,810
of ties into the whole idea of quantum

3522
02:40:28,830 --> 02:40:27,130
physics and the idea of the particle

3523
02:40:32,309 --> 02:40:28,840
versus the wave and what are these

3524
02:40:34,139 --> 02:40:32,319
probabilities right and most of your

3525
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:34,149
listeners may have heard me talk about

3526
02:40:39,080 --> 02:40:36,250
this before or somebody else where the

3527
02:40:41,550 --> 02:40:39,090
idea is that if it's if a particle is a

3528
02:40:44,370 --> 02:40:41,560
solid particle it's only in one place

3529
02:40:45,809 --> 02:40:44,380
but if it's a wave it's a probability

3530
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:45,819
and let's say you're in a theater and

3531
02:40:48,750 --> 02:40:47,290
there's a bunch of states it could be in

3532
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:48,760
any of those seats and there's a certain

3533
02:40:54,900 --> 02:40:52,000
probability of the particle being in all

3534
02:40:57,570 --> 02:40:54,910
those seats and what causes the collapse

3535
02:40:59,760 --> 02:40:57,580
of that wave from a set of probabilities

3536
02:41:01,980 --> 02:40:59,770
to a single reality well nobody really

3537
02:41:03,660 --> 02:41:01,990
knows but the best answer physicists

3538
02:41:07,170 --> 02:41:03,670
have been able to come up with is it's

3539
02:41:10,530 --> 02:41:07,180
the act of observation that collapses

3540
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:10,540
the probability wave into the single

3541
02:41:14,250 --> 02:41:12,640
reality that you're seeing and that's

3542
02:41:16,080 --> 02:41:14,260
why we only see one reality at a time

3543
02:41:18,750 --> 02:41:16,090
now the question is do those other

3544
02:41:22,050 --> 02:41:18,760
realities the problem mathematical

3545
02:41:25,139 --> 02:41:22,060
probabilities actually exist or are they

3546
02:41:27,570 --> 02:41:25,149
just probabilities and you think of it

3547
02:41:29,849 --> 02:41:27,580
in terms of a chess game in chess you

3548
02:41:31,349 --> 02:41:29,859
can lay out all the steps that might you

3549
02:41:33,540 --> 02:41:31,359
could take and then you can go out to

3550
02:41:36,420 --> 02:41:33,550
have probabilities for the next steps do

3551
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:36,430
those really exist until you actually

3552
02:41:41,340 --> 02:41:38,890
make the move then you see one of those

3553
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:41,350
realities play out and so some people

3554
02:41:47,010 --> 02:41:43,450
think you know in the simulation

3555
02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:47,020
hypothesis that that it's like a video

3556
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:48,340
game if you log in the world of warcraft

3557
02:41:53,160 --> 02:41:50,800
and nobody's there you know does that

3558
02:41:55,440 --> 02:41:53,170
world exist but when you're there and

3559
02:41:58,349 --> 02:41:55,450
you make a choice it has in its memory

3560
02:42:00,090 --> 02:41:58,359
all the possible things you could do but

3561
02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:00,100
when you make a choice it's that's

3562
02:42:04,860 --> 02:42:01,810
observing it and that causes it to

3563
02:42:07,110 --> 02:42:04,870
render that world around you so I would

3564
02:42:09,059 --> 02:42:07,120
just say that I don't think that it

3565
02:42:11,400 --> 02:42:09,069
those are mutually exclusive free will

3566
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:11,410
and a simulation don't have to be

3567
02:42:14,790 --> 02:42:12,399
mutually exclusive

3568
02:42:16,110 --> 02:42:14,800
because you you just may be limited to

3569
02:42:18,120 --> 02:42:16,120
the choices but you're still able to

3570
02:42:21,690 --> 02:42:18,130
make choices within those set of choices

3571
02:42:24,059 --> 02:42:21,700
and and the choice is an illusion see

3572
02:42:28,349 --> 02:42:24,069
the choice you think you've made the

3573
02:42:29,801 --> 02:42:28,359
choice but it was going to play out that

3574
02:42:33,421 --> 02:42:29,811
way anyway

3575
02:42:37,720 --> 02:42:33,431
the future is already a mathematical

3576
02:42:40,541 --> 02:42:37,730
equation that it's playing itself out

3577
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:40,551
and that could be although I would say

3578
02:42:45,610 --> 02:42:43,490
that it's maybe a set of probabilities

3579
02:42:47,980 --> 02:42:45,620
of the future and so it's not that

3580
02:42:49,631 --> 02:42:47,990
there's only one and that's why it's

3581
02:42:51,551 --> 02:42:49,641
interesting to what for the simulations

3582
02:42:54,520 --> 02:42:51,561
to play out is to see which of the paths

3583
02:42:56,381 --> 02:42:54,530
do people take but it's a limited set of

3584
02:42:58,900 --> 02:42:56,391
paths as opposed to a completely

3585
02:43:00,400 --> 02:42:58,910
freewill unlimited set it would be my

3586
02:43:04,270 --> 02:43:00,410
opinion but you know we're speculating

3587
02:43:06,341 --> 02:43:04,280
that well it's so interesting to start

3588
02:43:08,801 --> 02:43:06,351
to think about this because it gets

3589
02:43:11,291 --> 02:43:08,811
scarier as you start to answer the

3590
02:43:14,051 --> 02:43:11,301
questions and the more that you do it

3591
02:43:17,411 --> 02:43:14,061
leans more and more towards the the

3592
02:43:19,390 --> 02:43:17,421
simulation theory and if you go back and

3593
02:43:20,951 --> 02:43:19,400
look at your past look at your past and

3594
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:20,961
to go well you know I wouldn't I

3595
02:43:26,980 --> 02:43:24,530
wouldn't have gone to MIT and graduated

3596
02:43:29,261 --> 02:43:26,990
if I hadn't across the street that day

3597
02:43:31,961 --> 02:43:29,271
because that day somebody said to me and

3598
02:43:33,761 --> 02:43:31,971
I changed my mind and I didn't go and it

3599
02:43:36,701 --> 02:43:33,771
said I went left and the next thing you

3600
02:43:39,970 --> 02:43:36,711
know I because of that decision I went

3601
02:43:42,220 --> 02:43:39,980
to MIT okay well you know so that that

3602
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:42,230
that was freewill playing itself out and

3603
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:45,200
it made me who I am today the argument

3604
02:43:51,281 --> 02:43:47,120
to that is you would have made that

3605
02:43:55,390 --> 02:43:51,291
decision anyway right it's just it's

3606
02:43:59,650 --> 02:43:55,400
just the way that that the Big Bang

3607
02:44:02,591 --> 02:43:59,660
played itself out all the way to now and

3608
02:44:05,140 --> 02:44:02,601
we'll continue mathematically to play

3609
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:05,150
out in the future it only seems like

3610
02:44:10,810 --> 02:44:07,490
free will because you're in a simulation

3611
02:44:13,180 --> 02:44:10,820
right and so you're taking the point of

3612
02:44:15,970 --> 02:44:13,190
view that it's more deterministic where

3613
02:44:18,371 --> 02:44:15,980
you know X happened in the past and

3614
02:44:19,871 --> 02:44:18,381
alito Y happening now no matter what is

3615
02:44:22,841 --> 02:44:19,881
right I think it's free will

3616
02:44:24,970 --> 02:44:22,851
yeah free will is an illusion it could

3617
02:44:27,011 --> 02:44:24,980
be that's one that's one view but you

3618
02:44:30,011 --> 02:44:27,021
know Stephen Hawking made the point that

3619
02:44:31,900 --> 02:44:30,021
that and this gets into another area

3620
02:44:32,921 --> 02:44:31,910
another can of worms which I don't know

3621
02:44:34,301 --> 02:44:32,931
we want to go into tonight

3622
02:44:36,551 --> 02:44:34,311
but he made the point that certain

3623
02:44:38,770 --> 02:44:36,561
particles disappear into a black hole

3624
02:44:42,091 --> 02:44:38,780
and the particles that come out are not

3625
02:44:43,570 --> 02:44:42,101
related to those and he said that that

3626
02:44:45,070 --> 02:44:43,580
determinism

3627
02:44:47,230 --> 02:44:45,080
broke down which means you couldn't

3628
02:44:48,940 --> 02:44:47,240
really tell the history and so the

3629
02:44:51,190 --> 02:44:48,950
question is is the history that we

3630
02:44:53,051 --> 02:44:51,200
remember something that actually

3631
02:44:55,330 --> 02:44:53,061
happened or are they like implanted

3632
02:44:57,280 --> 02:44:55,340
memories when we couldn't actually be

3633
02:44:59,830 --> 02:44:57,290
sure that the simulation like somebody

3634
02:45:01,180 --> 02:44:59,840
stop the simulation changed it and reran

3635
02:45:03,280 --> 02:45:01,190
it and now we have a different history

3636
02:45:05,560 --> 02:45:03,290
or a different memory of what might have

3637
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:05,570
happened before right and now we might

3638
02:45:09,910 --> 02:45:08,090
go a different way than we did before

3639
02:45:13,330 --> 02:45:09,920
right in votes those cases there's not

3640
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:13,340
free will but they're that what's making

3641
02:45:18,220 --> 02:45:16,010
that deterministic path changes I mean

3642
02:45:19,511 --> 02:45:18,230
does the past exist you know I think in

3643
02:45:21,370 --> 02:45:19,521
the spiritual traditions they tend to

3644
02:45:23,950 --> 02:45:21,380
take you know more of a view that we

3645
02:45:25,810 --> 02:45:23,960
have free will but that we also have

3646
02:45:27,250 --> 02:45:25,820
certain things that we were meant to do

3647
02:45:28,750 --> 02:45:27,260
in this life and that that's what I

3648
02:45:30,670 --> 02:45:28,760
wrote about in my book treasure hunt and

3649
02:45:32,801 --> 02:45:30,680
that we get the clues where the guy

3650
02:45:35,740 --> 02:45:32,811
across the street is telling you to go

3651
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:35,750
to MIT you know was a clue placed there

3652
02:45:42,670 --> 02:45:39,530
by those of the part of us that's not in

3653
02:45:44,261 --> 02:45:42,680
this 3d simulated reality as a reminder

3654
02:45:46,540 --> 02:45:44,271
that this was the path that I was

3655
02:45:48,910 --> 02:45:46,550
supposed to follow so I you can make

3656
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:48,920
arguments either way I guess well what

3657
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:51,920
do we so when we when we bring in

3658
02:45:59,440 --> 02:45:56,000
consciousness and awakening into the

3659
02:46:02,500 --> 02:45:59,450
picture how does that separate from that

3660
02:46:05,410 --> 02:46:02,510
3d reality that most people live in

3661
02:46:07,090 --> 02:46:05,420
where there there isn't a parallel world

3662
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:07,100
there isn't quantum mechanics or quantum

3663
02:46:14,530 --> 02:46:10,730
theory there isn't anything there isn't

3664
02:46:17,710 --> 02:46:14,540
any life after death right that you you

3665
02:46:19,930 --> 02:46:17,720
die and everything ends you know these

3666
02:46:22,450 --> 02:46:19,940
two worlds are starting to collide and

3667
02:46:24,310 --> 02:46:22,460
in simulation theory that's where it

3668
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:24,320
starts to get really really interesting

3669
02:46:30,850 --> 02:46:26,240
too as well because the two can't exist

3670
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:30,860
they can't go exist right because you

3671
02:46:36,400 --> 02:46:33,610
could say in mainstream science

3672
02:46:40,261 --> 02:46:36,410
scientists today right we take the point

3673
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:40,271
of view that we're just cells and

3674
02:46:44,530 --> 02:46:43,130
consciousness is just these cells

3675
02:46:45,430 --> 02:46:44,540
interacting with each other and we

3676
02:46:47,470 --> 02:46:45,440
haven't figured it out yet but

3677
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:47,480
eventually we will figure out how to

3678
02:46:53,140 --> 02:46:50,570
make cells be conscious and this ties

3679
02:46:56,170 --> 02:46:53,150
back to our idea of the AI being

3680
02:46:57,540 --> 02:46:56,180
self-aware right at which point is it

3681
02:46:59,410 --> 02:46:57,550
conscious

3682
02:47:01,269 --> 02:46:59,420
whereas I think in the spiritual

3683
02:47:05,050 --> 02:47:01,279
traditions we would argue that there is

3684
02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:05,060
consciousness that inhabits the physical

3685
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:08,090
3d world which is more like a player of

3686
02:47:11,740 --> 02:47:09,680
a video game right I can bring up world

3687
02:47:14,500 --> 02:47:11,750
of warcraft or dota2 that's my character

3688
02:47:16,269 --> 02:47:14,510
but that's not me right and so I think

3689
02:47:18,580 --> 02:47:16,279
the simulation hypothesis is interesting

3690
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:18,590
because you know most scientists can

3691
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:20,930
agree that that's a very real

3692
02:47:27,429 --> 02:47:24,800
possibility right because if they say

3693
02:47:29,320 --> 02:47:27,439
it's just cells that die well that could

3694
02:47:32,410 --> 02:47:29,330
be a simulation and once the simulation

3695
02:47:34,420 --> 02:47:32,420
is over it's done right we're just this

3696
02:47:35,769 --> 02:47:34,430
sort of artificially simulated

3697
02:47:38,500 --> 02:47:35,779
consciousness within the game you turn

3698
02:47:40,769 --> 02:47:38,510
the game servers off and it's gone you

3699
02:47:43,599 --> 02:47:40,779
restart it and it's a whole new thing

3700
02:47:46,210 --> 02:47:43,609
but I think equally valid is the point

3701
02:47:49,059 --> 02:47:46,220
that this 3d reality is a kind of a

3702
02:47:51,790 --> 02:47:49,069
simulation right whereas the Yogi's you

3703
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:51,800
know talk about Maya the world of

3704
02:47:57,160 --> 02:47:54,409
illusion that we're in and they use the

3705
02:47:59,550 --> 02:47:57,170
analogy of dreams that this world is

3706
02:48:02,530 --> 02:47:59,560
like a collective dream or a collective

3707
02:48:04,899 --> 02:48:02,540
MMORPG that I would say has a video game

3708
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:04,909
designer but then in this dream we can

3709
02:48:08,620 --> 02:48:07,010
dream we create dreams when we go to

3710
02:48:10,540 --> 02:48:08,630
sleep and you've probably had that

3711
02:48:12,340 --> 02:48:10,550
situation where in the dream you wake up

3712
02:48:13,809 --> 02:48:12,350
but you haven't actually woken up you're

3713
02:48:16,510 --> 02:48:13,819
still in a dream right it's like the

3714
02:48:18,519 --> 02:48:16,520
dream within the dream but but anyway I

3715
02:48:21,580 --> 02:48:18,529
guess my broader point is I think the

3716
02:48:23,950 --> 02:48:21,590
simulation hypothesis is a bridge that

3717
02:48:26,109 --> 02:48:23,960
you know bridges these two worlds that

3718
02:48:28,330 --> 02:48:26,119
don't agree on a lot of stuff well I

3719
02:48:30,429 --> 02:48:28,340
would have thought I would have said

3720
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:30,439
years ago that science fiction was

3721
02:48:36,729 --> 02:48:33,050
science fiction and and these thoughts

3722
02:48:39,729 --> 02:48:36,739
of living in a simulation were just you

3723
02:48:41,740 --> 02:48:39,739
know pure fantasy and that most people

3724
02:48:44,920 --> 02:48:41,750
wouldn't be interested in the subject at

3725
02:48:48,490 --> 02:48:44,930
all and today you look at not only

3726
02:48:51,780 --> 02:48:48,500
gaming and how popular gaming is and how

3727
02:48:54,580 --> 02:48:51,790
people want to get into these you know

3728
02:48:57,460 --> 02:48:54,590
first-person shooter Ault you know these

3729
02:49:01,450 --> 02:48:57,470
alternate reality type games world of

3730
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:01,460
warcraft or guru mist you know and where

3731
02:49:07,210 --> 02:49:04,850
you are totally a merciful and then you

3732
02:49:10,400 --> 02:49:07,220
have the other part of it we're not

3733
02:49:13,700 --> 02:49:10,410
necessarily gamers but

3734
02:49:16,131 --> 02:49:13,710
Sims and the ability to create your own

3735
02:49:19,341 --> 02:49:16,141
character and build your own things and

3736
02:49:21,770 --> 02:49:19,351
and and an alternate personality for

3737
02:49:24,350 --> 02:49:21,780
yourself you're building a you know your

3738
02:49:28,400 --> 02:49:24,360
character that you want to look like

3739
02:49:29,870 --> 02:49:28,410
that you desire and and the the worlds

3740
02:49:32,120 --> 02:49:29,880
that you're living in socially and

3741
02:49:36,320 --> 02:49:32,130
interacting with inside of these games

3742
02:49:39,080 --> 02:49:36,330
people are actually very okay with it I

3743
02:49:40,881 --> 02:49:39,090
mean yeah they take it very seriously I

3744
02:49:42,740 --> 02:49:40,891
mean if I mentioned Second Life earlier

3745
02:49:44,120 --> 02:49:42,750
you mentioned the Sims right in Second

3746
02:49:46,790 --> 02:49:44,130
Life you have characters that get

3747
02:49:47,960 --> 02:49:46,800
married right with each other and then

3748
02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:47,970
they cheat with other people

3749
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:50,130
like it becomes a very serious but if

3750
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:52,170
you've watched ready player one which

3751
02:49:56,690 --> 02:49:54,090
just came out recently yeah which is

3752
02:49:58,700 --> 02:49:56,700
about virtual reality and so so I'm

3753
02:50:00,680 --> 02:49:58,710
actually working on a book now about the

3754
02:50:02,480 --> 02:50:00,690
simulation hypothesis which is based on

3755
02:50:04,761 --> 02:50:02,490
an article that I wrote that's up on

3756
02:50:07,160 --> 02:50:04,771
hacker noon now with the stages of

3757
02:50:10,011 --> 02:50:07,170
videogame technology and how would we

3758
02:50:12,740 --> 02:50:10,021
get from where we are today to a fully

3759
02:50:14,540 --> 02:50:12,750
immersive matrix like world where we

3760
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:14,550
couldn't tell the difference and you

3761
02:50:18,860 --> 02:50:17,010
know virtual reality is starting to move

3762
02:50:21,560 --> 02:50:18,870
us in that direction I mean if you put

3763
02:50:23,900 --> 02:50:21,570
on virtual reality glasses you are that

3764
02:50:25,820 --> 02:50:23,910
character like in in the Oasis and then

3765
02:50:27,440 --> 02:50:25,830
in that case they had in ready player

3766
02:50:28,910 --> 02:50:27,450
one they had these haptic suits so you

3767
02:50:30,591 --> 02:50:28,920
could actually feel what was going on

3768
02:50:32,750 --> 02:50:30,601
but we're seeing the beginnings of that

3769
02:50:36,680 --> 02:50:32,760
I have some friends who created a ping

3770
02:50:38,631 --> 02:50:36,690
pong game for HTC for the vibe and so I

3771
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:38,641
was playing this game and even though it

3772
02:50:43,940 --> 02:50:41,040
wasn't photorealistic it felt really

3773
02:50:46,310 --> 02:50:43,950
real so real that I thought I was

3774
02:50:48,860 --> 02:50:46,320
holding a paddle and playing I set the

3775
02:50:50,870 --> 02:50:48,870
paddle down on the table right just

3776
02:50:53,000 --> 02:50:50,880
instinctively well it turns out there

3777
02:50:54,860 --> 02:50:53,010
was no table it was just virtual so the

3778
02:50:56,810 --> 02:50:54,870
controller fell to the floor and then I

3779
02:50:59,091 --> 02:50:56,820
leaned against the table of course there

3780
02:51:01,520 --> 02:50:59,101
was no table so I almost fell over but

3781
02:51:03,890 --> 02:51:01,530
you can see how immersive virtual

3782
02:51:05,960 --> 02:51:03,900
reality is starting to be and eventually

3783
02:51:07,580 --> 02:51:05,970
you can see where we might be able to

3784
02:51:10,341 --> 02:51:07,590
beam that stuff to the retina without

3785
02:51:12,560 --> 02:51:10,351
needing the glasses and then you're

3786
02:51:13,761 --> 02:51:12,570
really in kind of an immersive world so

3787
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:13,771
I think more people are interested in

3788
02:51:18,860 --> 02:51:15,930
this topic today because we're seeing

3789
02:51:20,780 --> 02:51:18,870
how immersive video games can be and

3790
02:51:23,960 --> 02:51:20,790
they get to the point where you know we

3791
02:51:25,519 --> 02:51:23,970
may be inside a very sophisticated

3792
02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:25,529
a videogame I mean think of where the

3793
02:51:28,580 --> 02:51:26,970
technology will be a hundred years from

3794
02:51:31,519 --> 02:51:28,590
now right video games are only like 30

3795
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:31,529
years old or 200 years from now or a

3796
02:51:35,019 --> 02:51:33,210
thousand years from now how

3797
02:51:37,400 --> 02:51:35,029
sophisticated with the video games be

3798
02:51:39,320 --> 02:51:37,410
and and Elon Musk made that argument

3799
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:39,330
where he said you know we had pong and

3800
02:51:45,860 --> 02:51:42,090
in the 70s which was a dot and some

3801
02:51:48,170 --> 02:51:45,870
lines and now we have virtual reality

3802
02:51:49,940 --> 02:51:48,180
where you put on the glasses and you it

3803
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:49,950
feels like you're there and then we have

3804
02:51:55,250 --> 02:51:51,840
games like no man's sky I don't know if

3805
02:51:58,190 --> 02:51:55,260
you know ya know infinite right infinite

3806
02:52:00,410 --> 02:51:58,200
do they have like 18 quintillion planets

3807
02:52:03,290 --> 02:52:00,420
yes yeah turns out because that's what

3808
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:03,300
64 bits yeah that's the number that's 64

3809
02:52:07,460 --> 02:52:04,560
bits will get you and each of those are

3810
02:52:09,019 --> 02:52:07,470
procedurally generated yeah right so

3811
02:52:11,660 --> 02:52:09,029
they look like they're unique but

3812
02:52:13,610 --> 02:52:11,670
they're being generated by some set of

3813
02:52:15,979 --> 02:52:13,620
rules and so we you know we're looking

3814
02:52:19,519 --> 02:52:15,989
out at the world and we're seeing you

3815
02:52:22,670 --> 02:52:19,529
know billions of 100 billion galaxies

3816
02:52:23,210 --> 02:52:22,680
right out there with 100 billion stars

3817
02:52:25,820 --> 02:52:23,220
each

3818
02:52:28,729 --> 02:52:25,830
are those procedurally generated are

3819
02:52:32,330 --> 02:52:28,739
they really there you know and what does

3820
02:52:33,889 --> 02:52:32,340
it mean for them to be there so so in

3821
02:52:35,840 --> 02:52:33,899
that that of course would intersect with

3822
02:52:36,830 --> 02:52:35,850
the alien life and UFO question but I

3823
02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:36,840
don't think we want to go there to the

3824
02:52:43,309 --> 02:52:39,210
yeah we'll do that at another time but I

3825
02:52:46,010 --> 02:52:43,319
do have a week there's a that's a series

3826
02:52:48,440 --> 02:52:46,020
of shows I have a friend I mean a friend

3827
02:52:53,510 --> 02:52:48,450
friend a friend that I've known for

3828
02:52:55,460 --> 02:52:53,520
about 20 years and he his company this

3829
02:52:59,690 --> 02:52:55,470
is a friend friend I want to say this

3830
02:53:02,510 --> 02:52:59,700
his company he went through the film

3831
02:53:04,910 --> 02:53:02,520
industry here and software designing and

3832
02:53:13,610 --> 02:53:04,920
shading and lighting and stuff but his

3833
02:53:20,929 --> 02:53:13,620
company now is AR and he it is real and

3834
02:53:24,679 --> 02:53:20,939
other words they develop okay for

3835
02:53:30,370 --> 02:53:24,689
instance he can go in take your house

3836
02:53:34,190 --> 02:53:30,380
and recreate it I mean it's done with

3837
02:53:36,650 --> 02:53:34,200
photography and absolutely walk around

3838
02:53:39,860 --> 02:53:36,660
your neighborhood

3839
02:53:41,690 --> 02:53:39,870
he did Palm Springs right where you're

3840
02:53:45,381 --> 02:53:41,700
in a house in Palm Springs and you walk

3841
02:53:49,850 --> 02:53:45,391
outside and you go anywhere in pot and

3842
02:53:51,890 --> 02:53:49,860
it is real real real you cannot tell the

3843
02:53:54,110 --> 02:53:51,900
difference it's like you're out there

3844
02:53:55,820 --> 02:53:54,120
it's not like you're out there you are

3845
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:55,830
there you're in the middle of it and you

3846
02:54:01,070 --> 02:53:57,120
would not be able to tell the difference

3847
02:54:05,930 --> 02:54:01,080
because he's imaged it with real images

3848
02:54:09,950 --> 02:54:05,940
it's absolutely real-time spot-on crazy

3849
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:09,960
freaked out AR and it's it's here it's

3850
02:54:15,740 --> 02:54:12,570
it's an incredible technology that he

3851
02:54:16,910 --> 02:54:15,750
has developed yeah and and it's getting

3852
02:54:18,801 --> 02:54:16,920
better all the time so that's

3853
02:54:21,290 --> 02:54:18,811
interesting if he's got photorealistic

3854
02:54:24,350 --> 02:54:21,300
AR because the idea with these

3855
02:54:28,040 --> 02:54:24,360
light-filled AR which is just becoming

3856
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:28,050
available is that it figures out now

3857
02:54:32,690 --> 02:54:30,000
what light would come to your eye

3858
02:54:34,910 --> 02:54:32,700
based on what angle you're looking at

3859
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:34,920
and it only has to render that part of

3860
02:54:39,410 --> 02:54:37,920
it so that it optimizes the rendering so

3861
02:54:41,360 --> 02:54:39,420
you feel like you're really there which

3862
02:54:43,790 --> 02:54:41,370
is what all this 3d technology is based

3863
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:43,800
on going back to doom which was the

3864
02:54:47,480 --> 02:54:46,170
first first-person shooter right it gave

3865
02:54:49,640 --> 02:54:47,490
you a sense of perspective so in this

3866
02:54:51,560 --> 02:54:49,650
case he was able to image actual

3867
02:54:53,210 --> 02:54:51,570
physical places and create probably 3d

3868
02:54:55,400 --> 02:54:53,220
models based off that's right that's

3869
02:54:59,511 --> 02:54:55,410
right it's incredible to see I mean it's

3870
02:55:01,820 --> 02:54:59,521
just like you try to you try to mess it

3871
02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:01,830
up and you can't you can't you cannot

3872
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:04,170
you cannot find because it's actually

3873
02:55:10,160 --> 02:55:07,050
real imaging it's incredible to see and

3874
02:55:14,810 --> 02:55:10,170
and if we ever get to the point where

3875
02:55:19,011 --> 02:55:14,820
that that type of Turing test right

3876
02:55:21,290 --> 02:55:19,021
where you can tell right right and you

3877
02:55:25,220 --> 02:55:21,300
cannot you cannot I'm telling you right

3878
02:55:28,551 --> 02:55:25,230
now and are those VR glasses or AR

3879
02:55:32,530 --> 02:55:28,561
glasses yeah both okay it boasts both

3880
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:32,540
and and I I will introduce you to him

3881
02:55:38,091 --> 02:55:35,610
okay he's really really evolving rapidly

3882
02:55:40,430 --> 02:55:38,101
and these are all steps along the way

3883
02:55:41,960 --> 02:55:40,440
where imagine if you could do that you

3884
02:55:44,330 --> 02:55:41,970
could do that without the glasses and

3885
02:55:46,040 --> 02:55:44,340
beam it directly into our minds and now

3886
02:55:48,350 --> 02:55:46,050
we're in the matrix now we have the

3887
02:55:50,511 --> 02:55:48,360
technology there's a simulation right

3888
02:55:52,850 --> 02:55:50,521
and it's right there because if you have

3889
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:52,860
it if you have it like he does right

3890
02:55:58,220 --> 02:55:54,240
it's there it's on a hard drive

3891
02:55:59,870 --> 02:55:58,230
well bridging that interface which is

3892
02:56:02,060 --> 02:55:59,880
exactly what DARPA is doing right now

3893
02:56:05,511 --> 02:56:02,070
right building the interface between

3894
02:56:07,091 --> 02:56:05,521
computers and our heads and I've been

3895
02:56:11,750 --> 02:56:07,101
told that they've already you know

3896
02:56:14,270 --> 02:56:11,760
succeeded so there you go that's it's a

3897
02:56:16,490 --> 02:56:14,280
pretty Sandia that that's their focus

3898
02:56:20,450 --> 02:56:16,500
you know that's their focus right now is

3899
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:20,460
how to get the brain computer interface

3900
02:56:25,761 --> 02:56:22,530
in the machine language to communicate

3901
02:56:27,440 --> 02:56:25,771
between the two done that's that's the

3902
02:56:28,580 --> 02:56:27,450
next big step and I think that they've

3903
02:56:30,440 --> 02:56:28,590
already done it either

3904
02:56:33,410 --> 02:56:30,450
you have 100 percent they've already

3905
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:33,420
done it well that's a big step because

3906
02:56:37,341 --> 02:56:35,130
then you're you're really starting to

3907
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:37,351
bridge the electrical with the

3908
02:56:42,770 --> 02:56:40,800
biological and the chemical and you know

3909
02:56:45,950 --> 02:56:42,780
once that's done then you're at that

3910
02:56:48,980 --> 02:56:45,960
point where you can have specific images

3911
02:56:50,570 --> 02:56:48,990
beamed in from head to people which may

3912
02:56:52,341 --> 02:56:50,580
be what's happening to us right now but

3913
02:56:54,830 --> 02:56:52,351
we're then as a civilization we're

3914
02:56:56,780 --> 02:56:54,840
getting closer to that simulation point

3915
02:56:58,670 --> 02:56:56,790
that we talked about well and then it's

3916
02:57:05,750 --> 02:56:58,680
also the opposite where you get your

3917
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:05,760
brain outputted right people think that

3918
02:57:10,370 --> 02:57:07,530
you can just take the brain and output

3919
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:10,380
everything there and that becomes a

3920
02:57:16,460 --> 02:57:12,570
downloadable consciousness you have the

3921
02:57:18,381 --> 02:57:16,470
dream right yes yes yes and so it's a

3922
02:57:20,270 --> 02:57:18,391
matter of so some researchers are saying

3923
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:20,280
okay if we could just map not just all

3924
02:57:25,310 --> 02:57:23,010
the neurons in your brain but exactly

3925
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:25,320
you know how much they're firing and

3926
02:57:29,780 --> 02:57:27,840
when and right now that's too big a data

3927
02:57:31,580 --> 02:57:29,790
set for a lot of our computers in our

3928
02:57:34,670 --> 02:57:31,590
big data right now yeah we're talking

3929
02:57:35,960 --> 02:57:34,680
trillions of neurons fire firing and

3930
02:57:38,390 --> 02:57:35,970
you'd have to store that over a long

3931
02:57:40,011 --> 02:57:38,400
period of time again that would that

3932
02:57:41,780 --> 02:57:40,021
would say that consciousness is

3933
02:57:43,820 --> 02:57:41,790
something you can download digitally and

3934
02:57:47,210 --> 02:57:43,830
save and a lot of people are betting on

3935
02:57:50,360 --> 02:57:47,220
that I tend to take you know a slightly

3936
02:57:52,940 --> 02:57:50,370
more spiritual point of view where

3937
02:57:55,011 --> 02:57:52,950
consciousness may not just be the

3938
02:57:57,230 --> 02:57:55,021
neurons but might be something else that

3939
02:57:58,670 --> 02:57:57,240
we can't see in the rendered world which

3940
02:58:01,160 --> 02:57:58,680
is more like the Eastern mystical view

3941
02:58:03,710 --> 02:58:01,170
but it is moving in that direction

3942
02:58:05,570 --> 02:58:03,720
Riz I've got to run credits and get out

3943
02:58:08,120 --> 02:58:05,580
of here so really quick thank you

3944
02:58:12,620 --> 02:58:08,130
another amazing conversation where can

3945
02:58:16,340 --> 02:58:12,630
everybody follow you and reach out so my

3946
02:58:18,350 --> 02:58:16,350
website is Zen entrepreneur calm and you

3947
02:58:21,770 --> 02:58:18,360
can reach out to me from from the

3948
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:21,780
website you can also go to twitter at

3949
02:58:27,290 --> 02:58:24,960
wrist inferred as well and reach me

3950
02:58:29,810 --> 02:58:27,300
there and then there's a link from my

3951
02:58:31,400 --> 02:58:29,820
website and I think from yours - hacker

3952
02:58:33,469 --> 02:58:31,410
noon which is where I write a lot of

3953
02:58:36,560 --> 02:58:33,479
these types of articles and you can also

3954
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:36,570
find R is at on stellar he's he's

3955
02:58:41,900 --> 02:58:39,840
actually got a profile and is moving

3956
02:58:44,450 --> 02:58:41,910
forward there too as well we'll talk

3957
02:58:47,240 --> 02:58:44,460
about on stellar in the future of the

3958
02:58:49,850 --> 02:58:47,250
Internet 3.0 on another show thank you

3959
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:49,860
so much for is get some sleep all right

3960
02:58:54,650 --> 02:58:52,170
thanks for having me on again R is Burke

3961
02:58:57,740 --> 02:58:54,660
and it's very simple Zen interpreter

3962
02:58:59,840 --> 02:58:57,750
calm the links are over at Jimmy Church

3963
02:59:02,210 --> 02:58:59,850
radio calm thank you so much for doing

3964
02:59:05,090 --> 02:59:02,220
this overtime with us I know you're on

3965
02:59:07,880 --> 02:59:05,100
the East Coast doing your thing thank

3966
02:59:09,770 --> 02:59:07,890
you so much rizz for amazing

3967
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3968
02:59:14,030 --> 02:59:11,970
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3970
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planet fade to black is copy written

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2018 by fade to black in the game

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02:59:41,960 --> 02:59:39,620
changer network it cannot be rebroadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

3981
02:59:48,050 --> 02:59:45,570
permission from fade to black or the

3982
02:59:50,780 --> 02:59:48,060
game changer network I'm you know Jimmy

3983
02:59:52,700 --> 02:59:50,790
Church thank you to R is birth tomorrow

3984
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night right here

3985
02:59:57,980 --> 02:59:55,140
night with Jon Rappoport and is no more

3986
03:00:01,219 --> 02:59:57,990
fake newsroom live follow me on Twitter

3987
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IJ Church radio you can follow R is at R

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is Stanford until tomorrow night

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everybody be safe